Church secretary gun advocate mom shoots and kills teen daughters, then is killed.

[Vichan]

what point of mine do you think you disproved to get me to say something that I've believed about American culture for the last 10 years?

what exactly have you believed for 10 years and what exactly does it have to do with this conversation?

[Caolela]

But i bet stabbings, beatings, poisoning, drowning and any other way you want to think of went through the roof

Then you'd lose that bet, since all aspects of Australian violent crime have gone down or leveled out after the gun laws were fully implemented in the early 2000's:





http://www.aic.gov.au/statistics/violent%20crime.html

[Glnger]

what exactly have you believed for 10 years and what exactly does it have to do with this conversation?

it's been great at keeping minorities off the streets, and that was the whole point of it.

the whole point of making certain guns illegal would be to take those gun owners off the street.

oh but gun owners are white people, and it would be "un-Ammerican" to incarcerate that many white people, amirite?

................./10char

[Eroginous]

When was the last time you heard about multiple killings by one person with a knife or a club or a rock? Yeah, I thought so.

You're right that serious background checks should be performed as they do in Australia, not this crap in the US where they simply look on a computer to see if you have an arrest history. In Aus, there is a 28-day cooling off period while they go and ask people who know you about your mental stability, domestic history, alcohol/drug problems, and so on. And if you do pass the requirements to get a license and a gun, if you do anything later that is reason to have them revoked, you will lose that license and the gun(s).

Case in point, right here^ Let's just ignore people losing their damn minds and hyper focus on guns! That will prevent crazy people from hurting others in the future!

Australia has less than 5% of the total population of the US, spread out over roughly the same size land mass. Add to that fact you live in the Land of Nope, people have far more important things to worry about than having a gun.

[Eviscero]

If the girls had guns they could have shot their mom before their mom shot them. More guns please.

[Eroginous]

If the girls had guns they could have shot their mom before their mom shot them. More guns please.

Do you even understand what happened here? Three people died. Two of them at the hands of their crazy mother.

Why are you focused on guns still? Grow the fuck up and address the actual issue please.

[Calfredd]

Do you even understand what happened here? Three people died. Two of them at the hands of their crazy mother.

Why are you focused on guns still? Grow the fuck up and address the actual issue please.

A gun-nut was an actual nut?

[Eviscero]

Do you even understand what happened here? Three people died. Two of them at the hands of their crazy mother.

Why are you focused on guns still? Grow the fuck up and address the actual issue please.

I'm focused on guns cause they could have saved lives! If the daughters had them to protect themselves from this psycho bitch mom, the mom would be dead and the girls would be alive, potentially.

[Imnick]

I'm focused on guns cause they could have saved lives! If the daughters had them to protect themselves from this psycho bitch mom, the mom would be dead and the girls would be alive, potentially.

"Family argument becomes four-way shootout" would obviously be a much happier headline. They should all have been armed.

[Caolela]

Case in point, right here^ Let's just ignore people losing their damn minds and hyper focus on guns! That will prevent crazy people from hurting others in the future!

Australia has less than 5% of the total population of the US, spread out over roughly the same size land mass. Add to that fact you live in the Land of Nope, people have far more important things to worry about than having a gun.

I guess you forgot about things like per capita, and percentage of population, etc? No mass shootings in 20 years since Port Arthur speaks for itself, when prior to the gun laws they had about 1 every year.

Not a real smart reply, when you totally missed the point that in Aus. they in fact do focus on "crazy people" or those who might have those tendencies. That's the whole point of the more thorough background checks and the waiting period.

[last1214]

I can't help but feel that guns for her was more about a feeling of power, rather than her second amendment rights, or her ability to protect her family.

When she finally snapped she used her power in a horrible way.

[Zyster]

This just in. Someone does something dumb with a weapon! Someone uses this as fuel that religion and guns are bad!

[The Stormbringer]

So what that she had a gun? There are plenty of cases there this shit happens with a knife instead of a gun.

I can laugh at the irony of course. Having a gun to protect the family and ending up killing your family. But that's about it.

It's a lot easier to avoid someone with a knife than it is with a gun. With a knife, you just have to stay out of arm's reach of them. With a gun, you have to stay completely out of sight and behind something strong enough to take the bullet for you.

I'm not saying you can't kill people with other things, but guns are designed with the explicit purpose of taking life from a distance. They might be used for sport (of which I've done) but the intent for them is to kill.

[TITAN308]

It's a lot easier to avoid someone with a knife than it is with a gun. With a knife, you just have to stay out of arm's reach of them.

You should stop getting your info from TV movies and video games.

While the 21 foot rule is not iron clad, its a pretty good starting point why "staying out of arms reach" is pretty naive. Considering most people freeze up like a dumb animal in the wild.

[The Stormbringer]

You should stop getting your info from TV movies and video games.

While the 21 foot rule is not iron clad, its a pretty good starting point why "staying out of arms reach" is pretty naive. Considering most people freeze up like a dumb animal in the wild.

Oh, don't get me wrong, it's still easy to get tagged with a knife. Someone can sprint at you a lot faster than you expect, but if it's an argument like this that gets heated and someone draws a knife and starts threatening you, gives you time to react? The girl who ran off and got shot in the back would almost definitely be alive right now.

And while some with more experience would wildly swing as fast as they can, someone inexperienced is probably going to go in for the stab or the single slash, which is easier to keep from hitting something vital.

[Eroginous]

You should stop getting your info from TV movies and video games.

While the 21 foot rule is not iron clad, its a pretty good starting point why "staying out of arms reach" is pretty naive. Considering most people freeze up like a dumb animal in the wild.

No point in trying to talk sense into these people, they've found their scapegoat. Let em have it.

[Spiffums]

I don't know, but I have the impression that many of these gun lovers simply wait for an opportunity to use their guns, even when it is against their own family members. A 'heated argument' like described in the article was enough in this case.

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If she only had a knife, the husband would have had a much better chance to stop her. A small weak women can kill her entire family with a gun, but with a knife that is a much more unlikely.

If that was the case there would be no way anti guns would dare open their mouths to gun owners. Because we'd just kill you with our guns when you piss us off.

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Please raise your hand if you would feel better if she had pushed them out of a window.

[Espe]

Please raise your hand if you would feel better if she had pushed them out of a window.

So it makes you feel better that they were shot to death on a whim?

Interesting.

[Deleted]

If that was the case there would be no way anti guns would dare open their mouths to gun owners. Because we'd just kill you with our guns when you piss us off.

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Please raise your hand if you would feel better if she had pushed them out of a window.

If you would do what you said, you would all end up in jail.
And let me ask you this, do honestly believe, that she would be able to push both daughters AND husband out of the window like as if she has superpowers ?
Are you seriously sugesting that ?

[BuckSparkles]

This just in. Someone does something dumb with a weapon! Someone uses this as fuel that religion and guns are bad!

Pretty much.

Let's hit the check list.

Guns are evil.
Religion is evil.
White people are evil.
The NRA is evil.
Conservatives are evil.

Did I miss anything?

I mean, after the Hillary supporting democrat shot up Orlando, and it was spun as fault of conservatives, nothing surprises me anymore.