I also served, and I lack your confidence. The events of the Civil War are in our past, yet they happened. At Kent State, they were National Guard -- perhaps less trained, but also closer to the people of the area -- they fired. Over and over, we see situations were armed forces, be they police or National Guard, either have fired or have apparently been close to firing.Originally Posted by supertony51
If your point holds, then it is the morality of our own troops that is the effective defense against tyranny. You also raise a question -- are our citizens, many of whom are former service members or serving in the National Guard (or who have relatives in some way involved) willing to fire on our troops? You know what happens, a gun goes off and people react, then there is no stopping things. Thus, would guns actually aid in the process or is peaceful resistance potentially at least as effective?
No, they probably won't wake up one morning and say "I think I'll burn Atlanta" and yet that has been done before. Given the Red State/Blue State model, it is possible -- maybe even probable -- that we would see the states again divided along political lines to resist or support the government. That could easily bring about a scenario similar to the Civil War, and while our current examples of similar situations tend to be in the Middle East or Africa it seems that the best an armed citizenry could hope for would be a bloody and protracted stalemate that would invite foreign involvement.Originally Posted by supertony51
An armed citizenry fighting from within cities would essentially be using our own as meat shields. How is that in any way an acceptable scenario compared to unarmed and peaceful resistance? That would be, however, about their only hope of survival once things escalate (and they would if guns are an option) to shooting. Our current armed forces are specifically veterans of warfare against dispersed, militia like groups. Their training and arms reflect that.
I see a case for morality, I see a case for organized and peaceful resistance to tyranny, but I do not see an armed citizenry adding any benefit to offset the increased bloodshed we would face if shots were fired. If shots aren't going to be fired, the last thing we need is fools with guns to set off the shooting.
At this point, I'm of the opinion that our National Guard meets the need for a well regulated militia. An armed rabble is not in any sense well regulated or a militia, nor can I see it as an effective defense against tyranny. Anything else comes down to sorting out hunting, target shooting, and deciding what to do to address home defense. Those things are not without merit, but they are things that other countries manage to handle without something like the Second Amendment.
With COVID-19 making its impact on our lives, I have decided that I shall hang in there for my remaining days, skip some meals, try to get children to experiment with making henna patterns on their skin, and plant some trees. You know -- live, fast, dye young, and leave a pretty copse. I feel like I may not have that quite right.
Last edited by Alvito; 2016-06-27 at 04:26 PM.
"Privilege is invisible to those who have it."
Being able to yell the loudest does not prove a majority.
And a majority sometimes wants what is best for themselves, instead of what is best for others.
This is entirely about you having hold of something and no matter the consequences you want to keep it.
Talk about selfish.
You mistake "can" with "wide spread availability" or even "I found a company who will sell it to me".
They are not common for a reason and it has nothing to do with their legality.
Edit: To clarify, the reason not everyone is rolling around in a tank is because much like the reason not everyone is driving around in a Lambo, the cost of a tank is going to put it out of the price range of a majority 99% of people.
Last edited by TITAN308; 2016-06-27 at 04:15 PM.
As someone who was present at one of the largest school shootings ever, no it never changed my mind. I'm not retarded enough to blame the guns, but rather I blame the 2 kids who carried out the attack. I blame their parents for not getting them the mental help they needed when the signs started popping up. It was never the guns fault. Those kids were going to kill as many people as possible with or without guns. They even made sure to have a fairly large supple of bombs made from common household materials too.
Last edited by Lightwysh; 2016-06-27 at 04:21 PM.
Well the thing is, generally in most cases, you can buy ammunition (like the RPG example).
However it is time and cost prohibited because of the ATF tax stamp PER munition.
You can also build your own munitions with the proper paperwork. Like making a 120mm round for your totally sweet bro tank you just bought. Again though, time and cost prohibitive.