[Legion] Discipline Priest Discussion

[Anastacy]

Is there anyone out there who could potentially make a WA string to track the # of Atonements placed on the raid via Plea so we dont accidentally drain ourselves of mana needlessly?

It wouldn't necessarily have to be Atonements placed via Plea, would it?

[Symmone]

It wouldn't necessarily have to be Atonements placed via Plea, would it?

Im sure you could have an addon to count all of your active atonements but Im mainly interested in the ones done with Plea because each cast of plea costs more mana depending on how many Plea Atonements you already have active.

[Immortalem]

Im sure you could have an addon to count all of your active atonements but Im mainly interested in the ones done with Plea because each cast of plea costs more mana depending on how many Plea Atonements you already have active.

I'm sorry but it looks like you got something wrong there.
The cost of Plea increases with each atonement out, not accounting the spell they were applied with.

So after all you would only need a WA for the number of Atonements created by you.
Note that Plea actually displays a number in the bottom right corner how many Atonements you have out. (Yeah I know not the same as a WA)

Kind regards,
Immo

[Symmone]

Ah! I have been mistaken this whole time. Thank you!

[Atharaxie]

Knowing the number of Atonement active at one time is valuable both to estimate the cost of next Plea and the impact of DPS.

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Text WA with %s (and %n if you want the name of your teammate with atonement)
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Aura(s) : Atonement
Stack info : number affected (and Name info : player affected if you want the name of your teammate with atonement)
Aura type : buff

[Jimjam38]

Is there anyone out there who could potentially make a WA string to track the # of Atonements placed on the raid via Plea so we dont accidentally drain ourselves of mana needlessly?

Firstly, Plea's mana cost is dependent on the total number of Atonements, not just the Atonements placed by Plea itself. And I believe the standard Plea Icon actually has a number on it which shows you how many Atonements there are active.

But anyway, I can't with WA cause I don't use it but I probably could with TMW. I've had a TMW string to track my total Renewing Mists on the raid for ages, and it's a pretty similar idea. For weak auras, your best bet is to find a string used to track total ReM on the Raid, which I'm sure are out there, and then edit it for Atonement rather than ReM.

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I think a good solution for Disc in 5man content would be to give disc a talent or even just a passive, that simply increases the amount transferred by atonement by X% while you have less than Y number of atonement buffs active.
Something like:
"When you have 3 or less atonements active, the amount transferred by atonement is increased by 20%"

Or even better IMO, it could be a tapering effect;
"Atonement healing increased by 10%, 3 stacks. Each additional atonement target after the first removes a stack"
So with only a single atonement active, you'd have 30% increased Atonement healing. With 2 active targets you'd have 20%, with 3 targets you'd have 10%, 4 or more targets you'd have no increased atonement healing.
This could achieve a similar effect to what Gorsameth suggested, but would be easier to implement at this stage of the development process. It'd give disc that extra throughput for 5mans without making their raid healing overpowered. Any thoughts?

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Everything is limited by mana, which means that Schism gets left in the dust (unless you're on some kind of specific fight that demands burst healing instead of overall healing), PWR must be used sparingly (and I found, pretty much only under PI), and Plea is evil incarnate as it will sneak up on you and steal all of your mana if you dare to cast it when you're already past 5 Atonements.

So plea's mana cost is increased by 100% for each atonement active, but is this a linear increase or exponential? So with 3 atonements, would its be 0.36*3=1.08% base mana, or is it 0.36*2*2=1.44% base mana?

[Totaltotemic]

So plea's mana cost is increased by 100% for each atonement active, but is this a linear increase or exponential? So with 3 atonements, would its be 0.36*3=1.08% base mana, or is it 0.36*2*2=1.44% base mana?

Linear, but you also have to add base cost.

So it's 0.36 * [1 + Atonements]

[Immortalem]

So I just looked around in the WA's I have and found the one I used in MoP for MW (I didn't create it myself).
If shows you the number of Mists out in the raid and the shortest remaining duration.

Feel free to modify. If none modified it until evening it's likely I'll do so and post it again.

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[cqwrteur]

Firstly, Plea's mana cost is dependent on the total number of Atonements, not just the Atonements placed by Plea itself. And I believe the standard Plea Icon actually has a number on it which shows you how many Atonements there are active.

But anyway, I can't with WA cause I don't use it but I probably could with TMW. I've had a TMW string to track my total Renewing Mists on the raid for ages, and it's a pretty similar idea. For weak auras, your best bet is to find a string used to track total ReM on the Raid, which I'm sure are out there, and then edit it for Atonement rather than ReM.

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Ignore me, others have answered you already anyway

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I think a good solution for Disc in 5man content would be to give disc a talent or even just a passive, that simply increases the amount transferred by atonement by X% while you have less than Y number of atonement buffs active.
Something like:
"When you have 3 or less atonements active, the amount transferred by atonement is increased by 20%"

Or even better IMO, it could be a tapering effect;
"Atonement healing increased by 10%, 3 stacks. Each additional atonement target after the first removes a stack"
So with only a single atonement active, you'd have 30% increased Atonement healing. With 2 active targets you'd have 20%, with 3 targets you'd have 10%, 4 or more targets you'd have no increased atonement healing.
This could achieve a similar effect to what Gorsameth suggested, but would be easier to implement at this stage of the development process. It'd give disc that extra throughput for 5mans without making their raid healing overpowered. Any thoughts?

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So plea's mana cost is increased by 100% for each atonement active, but is this a linear increase or exponential? So with 3 atonements, would its be 0.36*3=1.08% base mana, or is it 0.36*2*2=1.44% base mana?

Maybe I should upgrade my remuplift addon to support atonement.

[drivec]

So after browseing disc logs on the last couple of raid test I was surprised to see disc doing as well as it has. I do relise that some of the fights were very short. I was thinking other healers would be pulling much higher numbers compared to disc


was anyone else surprised?

[Isheria]

Half the people you see on these logs contain disc priests that use 18 2p/4p and demonic phylactery. Demonic phylactery especially breaks the spec completely because plea is almost free and you can spam it without worrying at all about the scaling mana cost based on number of atonements not to mention the tier set bonus almost doubles your healing generated by penance and atonement-penance.

I was in a raid with a disc priest that was just using his live toon with the items mentioned above and this is the result across both bosses: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...3&type=healing

[Totaltotemic]

Remember kids, you can write off Disc as being terrible based on Mythic testing logs of 2 minute boss pulls where a lot of people are using stupidly scaled up items that they copied over from live, but don't you dare suggest that it's not terrible based on those same kind of logs.

[Deleted]

I'm convinced, based on a few logs I've seen around that raiding is not going to be a disc's enemy. I'd expect it to be rather the contrary in fact, it would be the ideal cocoon where discs get to perform exactly as they're designed to. It's the mythic + dungeons that have me somewhat concerned, where no other healers can make up for the weaker single target healing discs have, which may force them to throw their entire atonement + dmg toolkit out the window to stop the tank from dying.

That is my only concern, not necessarily making them incapable of M+ dungeons, but it does look hellishly awkward.

[Jimjam38]

Half the people you see on these logs contain disc priests that use 18 2p/4p and demonic phylactery. Demonic phylactery especially breaks the spec completely because plea is almost free and you can spam it without worrying at all about the scaling mana cost based on number of atonements not to mention the tier set bonus almost doubles your healing generated by penance and atonement-penance.

I was in a raid with a disc priest that was just using his live toon with the items mentioned above and this is the result across both bosses: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...3&type=healing

Surely Demonic Phalactery doesn't scale up? At level 110 priests have 1100 K mana, so 0.36% of that would be 3.96 K. Demonic Phalactery reduces mana costs by about 0.55K, so that still leaves plea's mana cost at 3.41 K. Surely that isn't enough to warrant using DP at level 110? I certainly wouldn't call that 'almost free'... so then does DP scale based on total mana pool?

Now, the T18 2pc isn't too surprising given that it'll buff penance by 24%, but I am surprised to hear that the 4pc is being used. Is the 4pc the "Penance" healing that's showing up in the logs? Because I'd assume he isn't using The Penitent talent.

However I am certain both of these will be completely nerfed once blizzard catches on.

Now, looking at those logs I really don't know how much can really be concluded. The disc is sometimes performing almost as good as you, on fights less than 3 minutes long. Although his dps isn't anything to sneer at. From my log browsing of HFC I'm assuming this is the guy in your guild called "Flameqt" on live, and your guild is a pretty serious one considering Treckie is in it. So idk, what's your impression as a very high end raider, how would disc need to be performing in terms of its hps/dps split for you guys to consider it viable/not viable and balanced/op?

[Deleted]

Surely Demonic Phalactery doesn't scale up? At level 110 priests have 1100 K mana, so 0.36% of that would be 3.96 K. Demonic Phalactery reduces mana costs by about 0.55K, so that still leaves plea's mana cost at 3.41 K. Surely that isn't enough to warrant using DP at level 110? I certainly wouldn't call that 'almost free'... so then does DP scale based on total mana pool?

AFAIK Phylactery only scales up now because the mythic raid testing has your gear scaled up to ilvl 898, and it doesn't seem to care that you have T18 gear on. Noticed the same thing when looking for some Spriest logs, quite a few people had the old sets on and they just scaled up because of the raid buff.

[Isheria]

Surely Demonic Phalactery doesn't scale up? At level 110 priests have 1100 K mana, so 0.36% of that would be 3.96 K. Demonic Phalactery reduces mana costs by about 0.55K, so that still leaves plea's mana cost at 3.41 K. Surely that isn't enough to warrant using DP at level 110? I certainly wouldn't call that 'almost free'... so then does DP scale based on total mana pool?

Now, the T18 2pc isn't too surprising given that it'll buff penance by 24%, but I am surprised to hear that the 4pc is being used. Is the 4pc the "Penance" healing that's showing up in the logs? Because I'd assume he isn't using The Penitent talent.

However I am certain both of these will be completely nerfed once blizzard catches on.

Now, looking at those logs I really don't know how much can really be concluded. The disc is sometimes performing almost as good as you, on fights less than 3 minutes long. Although his dps isn't anything to sneer at. From my log browsing of HFC I'm assuming this is the guy in your guild called "Flameqt" on live, and your guild is a pretty serious one considering Treckie is in it. So idk, what's your impression as a very high end raider, how would disc need to be performing in terms of its hps/dps split for you guys to consider it viable/not viable and balanced/op?

The penance healing you see in the logs that does ~9% of total healing is the 4p exclusively, she was using castigation for both bosses. Also all items scale up because of the scaling aura present on all raid tests, that means you can use whatever overpowered item from previous content that you can think of and it will be fully usable.

[Gorsameth]

Surely Demonic Phalactery doesn't scale up? At level 110 priests have 1100 K mana, so 0.36% of that would be 3.96 K. Demonic Phalactery reduces mana costs by about 0.55K, so that still leaves plea's mana cost at 3.41 K. Surely that isn't enough to warrant using DP at level 110? I certainly wouldn't call that 'almost free'... so then does DP scale based on total mana pool?

Now, the T18 2pc isn't too surprising given that it'll buff penance by 24%, but I am surprised to hear that the 4pc is being used. Is the 4pc the "Penance" healing that's showing up in the logs? Because I'd assume he isn't using The Penitent talent.

However I am certain both of these will be completely nerfed once blizzard catches on.

Now, looking at those logs I really don't know how much can really be concluded. The disc is sometimes performing almost as good as you, on fights less than 3 minutes long. Although his dps isn't anything to sneer at. From my log browsing of HFC I'm assuming this is the guy in your guild called "Flameqt" on live, and your guild is a pretty serious one considering Treckie is in it. So idk, what's your impression as a very high end raider, how would disc need to be performing in terms of its hps/dps split for you guys to consider it viable/not viable and balanced/op?

There is no need for Blizzard to nerf those items. They are so good because in testing Blizzard simply scales all your gear up to the intended ilvl. If not for the artifacts I suspect you would see quite a few warglaives being used for example.

On live those items will not scale up and the ilvl difference will make them utter garbage.

[Samvex]

Lvling Holy/Disc in Beta.
Dmg seems not different at all.
Testing dps at pvp Server.
Disc NEED schism to do same Dps as Holy?!

My Plan for legion was going to pick Disc over Holy because I could Speed up Dungeon process with my additional Dps. But no. I can just stay Holy, have much greater heal Output and can Dps with same numbers. Yeah yeah. As Holy i can't heal and Dps at the same time but as Disc you can't Spam schism+ Pen +smite whole time either.. especially applying schism is Mana expensive and annoying. I dislike this Talent so much

Also many of you already confirmed Disc won't be as good as Holy in high m+ lvls, Disc also should not heal as much as other Healer in Raids(they are more Group heal and no Tank heal at all in Raids right?) But do a bit of damage. Well i don't think this bit of dmg is worse it. Like many other people im afraid of Disc don't finding its place in progress at all (

[Jimjam38]

So I've spent some time looking into a possible BIS for Disc in the Prepatch, prioritising haste then crit:

Helm: Pious Cowl
Neck: Choker of Forbidden Indulgence
Shoulders: Pious Mantle
Back: Cloak of Hideous Unity
Chest: Pious Raiment
Wrist: Powder-Singed Bracers
Hands: Satin Gloves of Injustice
Waist: Sludge-Soaked Waistband
Legs: Pious Leggings
Ring1: Legendary Ring
Ring2: Seal of the Traitorous Councilor
Trinket1: Demonic Phylactery
Trinket2: Not sure about this one. Maybe Prophecy of Fear or Unblinking Gaze of Sethe if they can proc for Disc, otherwise Intuition's Gift or maybe Iron Reaver Piston?
Weapon: Edict of Argus for max haste and slightly higher ilvl, or Voidcore Greatstaff for crit instead of mastery.

Thoughts?

[PosPosPos]

So I've spent some time looking into a possible BIS for Disc in the Prepatch, prioritising haste then crit:

Helm: Pious Cowl
Neck: Choker of Forbidden Indulgence
Shoulders: Pious Mantle
Back: Cloak of Hideous Unity
Chest: Pious Raiment
Wrist: Powder-Singed Bracers
Hands: Satin Gloves of Injustice
Waist: Sludge-Soaked Waistband
Legs: Pious Leggings
Ring1: Legendary Ring
Ring2: Seal of the Traitorous Councilor
Trinket1: Demonic Phylactery
Trinket2: Not sure about this one. Maybe Prophecy of Fear or Unblinking Gaze of Sethe if they can proc for Disc, otherwise Intuition's Gift or maybe Iron Reaver Piston?
Weapon: Edict of Argus for max haste and slightly higher ilvl, or Voidcore Greatstaff for crit instead of mastery.

Thoughts?

Mastery is essentially a useless stat if you are planning on using said set to level. Just run anything that doesn't contain mastery around a similar ilvl.