1. #11361
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whiskeyjack WN View Post
    He suggests that the UK cannot be "Switzerland with nukes and a global perspective", adding: "We are going to expel Switzerland at the beginning of the next year from all of the European programmes" because the Swiss people rejected freedom of movement in a recent referendum.

    Yup and they say its a democracy and not the Germans deciding everything... Don't play ball with the Germans and your kicked out regardless of what anyone else thinks.


    The UK made the right choice. The EU needs to crash and burn so it can be rebuilt in a better way.
    How fucking hard is it to understand that if country A signs treaty B, they cant then Break a part of that treaty?

  2. #11362
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bambs View Post
    The UK, I mean Englad against the world! Sure that will go down well.

    You don't see how a united continent is better than 30 countries ruled by a Farage?
    Just to make it clear Farage has no control or say in anything.

  3. #11363
    Quote Originally Posted by Bambs View Post
    The UK, I mean Englad against the world! Sure that will go down well.

    You don't see how a united continent is better than 30 countries ruled by a Farage?
    Actually, no. I don't see how the EU is better than the UK, that's why I voted leave.

    I don't want to be trapped in a facist state that breaks the knees of the strong.

  4. #11364
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Berserker View Post
    It's a formality and has never been reppealed

    But sure, the Queen is totally our evil overlord who controls everything
    Just how the Pres is a formality?
    Wnd what happens when Lizzie decides to veto everything? Is that democratic? It is possible so the UK cannot possible democratic.

  5. #11365
    Quote Originally Posted by advanta View Post
    Just to make it clear Farage has no control or say in anything.
    He is saying that it is better to have a united block than to have the same situation like we did in the 19-th and 20-th centure - countries lead by nationalists and hell-bent on an adventurous foreign policy.

  6. #11366
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    Quote Originally Posted by advanta View Post
    Just to make it clear Farage has no control or say in anything.
    I know. But all the leavers seem to want someone like him to lead.

  7. #11367
    Quote Originally Posted by GoblinP View Post
    How fucking hard is it to understand that if country A signs treaty B, they cant then Break a part of that treaty?
    Why is it hard to understand that treaties can be renegotiated.

  8. #11368
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    Quote Originally Posted by advanta View Post
    So, no I don't see any evidence of culture or identity anywhere.
    No offence, but I've yet to see you post anything positive in any topic. Misanthropes always think everyone is isolated and that only they can see the stark, cold, truth of it all. Genuinely not an attack. If this is your thing roll with it. Other people will generally have more time for you though if you don't insist on defining them exclusively from your own perspective.

    There's millions of people in the UK living very full and interconnected lives. They come from all income brackets, ages, ethnicities and all levels of education. Just because you can't see that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I wonder why you seem to take such a hard left socialist stance on some issues yet seem to have nothing but contempt for other people. Again, not an attack. Genuinely curious.

  9. #11369
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Berserker View Post
    Actually, no. I don't see how the EU is better than the UK, that's why I voted leave.

    I don't want to be trapped in a facist state that breaks the knees of the strong.
    But you will lead a facist state that breaks the knees of everyone?
    It won't be UK long though. Soon it will be just England.

  10. #11370
    Quote Originally Posted by Bambs View Post
    Just how the Pres is a formality?
    Wnd what happens when Lizzie decides to veto everything? Is that democratic? It is possible so the UK cannot possible democratic.
    Then lizzie gets investigated and her powers revoked? It's not hard.

    Jesus you Euroes are so fucking pathetic.

  11. #11371
    Quote Originally Posted by smashorc View Post
    I wonder why you seem to take such a hard left socialist stance on some issues yet seem to have nothing but contempt for other people. Again, not an attack. Genuinely curious.
    Seconded. Particularly about the "not an attack" I like you Advanta, but you definately make me pause sometimes to think "wtf??"
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  12. #11372
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Berserker View Post
    Then lizzie gets investigated and her powers revoked? It's not hard.

    Jesus you Euroes are so fucking pathetic.
    So just like the President then?

  13. #11373
    Quote Originally Posted by Bambs View Post
    But you will lead a facist state that breaks the knees of everyone?
    It won't be UK long though. Soon it will be just England.
    Where exactly are you from Bambs? You sound incredibly mad that the UK didn't like the idea of a forced united Europe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smashorc View Post
    No offence, but I've yet to see you post anything positive in any topic. Misanthropes always think everyone is isolated and that only they can see the stark, cold, truth of it all. Genuinely not an attack. If this is your thing roll with it. Other people will generally have more time for you though if you don't insist on defining them exclusively from your own perspective.

    There's millions of people in the UK living very full and interconnected lives. They come from all income brackets, ages, ethnicities and all levels of education. Just because you can't see that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I wonder why you seem to take such a hard left socialist stance on some issues yet seem to have nothing but contempt for other people. Again, not an attack. Genuinely curious.
    He's a Southerner.

    It pretty much sums everything up to a tee.

  14. #11374
    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Berserker View Post
    Actually, no. I don't see how the EU is better than the UK, that's why I voted leave.

    I don't want to be trapped in a facist state that breaks the knees of the strong.
    Currently you get to vote in the EU parliament and veto legislation. After you leave and enter the EEA to access the single market you will have rules sent to you as a diktat. Do you realise how silly this situation is?

  15. #11375
    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Berserker View Post
    Where exactly are you from Bambs? You sound incredibly mad that England and Wales didn't like the idea of a forced united Europe.
    FTFY as its kinda relevant to the point being made...
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  16. #11376
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    Quote Originally Posted by AeneasBK View Post
    Well this is it, it honestly sounds like you just "haven't noticed" the culture around you, which is why I asked if you were a Londoner; its very easy to disregard anytihng outside the M25 when you're inside it. Apparently.

    https://eisteddfod.wales/about-us, just a starter...

    I don't know how you go about objectively measuring how "cultured" a place is; from most of my perspectives throughout my life, London has been a pretentious pompous "Emperors New Clothes" of a city, which leeches all the raw talent and creativity from elsewhere in the UK simply because it is the place with all the money Nearly all of its culture is imported
    Like I said, I'm not a Londoner.

    Maybe there is some sort of exciting underground culture going on somewhere. The problem is that is is a) very expensive to go out so most people don't when a pint is four quid. and b) the old channels of distribution don't exist any more so it isn't to work out what is going on if you have a full-time occupation. When I'm out and about you see gigs by bands I grew up with, when I listen to a "new music" station like 6 its all stuff from the nineties. I have an unusually high interest in discovering new music and other art so my guess is 99% of the population are even less aware.

    I have to say compared with the very vibrant and exciting movements that went from underground to mainstream everyone was aware of when I was younger, there seems to be very little going on now.

    Certainly the biggest culture change, and surely you can't argue with this, from the perspective of most people, is the death of the pub. That's the hub of every community in Britain.

    And yeah, festival culture has always been strong in Britain but I'm getting too old to sit in a wet field for any length of time. Enjoy it while you are young.
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  17. #11377
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Berserker View Post
    Actually, no. I don't see how the EU is better than the UK, that's why I voted leave.

    I don't want to be trapped in a facist state that breaks the knees of the strong.
    Not that strong then.

    Facist state? You do know you are the one who sounds like that? The entirety of Brexit is pretty much for xenophobic reasons and nationalism.

  18. #11378
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Berserker View Post
    Where exactly are you from Bambs? You sound incredibly mad that the UK didn't like the idea of a forced united Europe.
    Hungary. All I get from this is less money for my corrupt politicians to steal.
    It's just fun to watch the deathroes of the UK, or at least the Leavers.

  19. #11379
    Quote Originally Posted by Bambs View Post
    I know. But all the leavers seem to want someone like him to lead.
    I wonder if anyone will see the irony of people telling Germans "How could you have followed Hitler?"
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  20. #11380
    Quote Originally Posted by AeneasBK View Post
    FTFY as its kinda relevant to the point being made...
    Not really, it sheds light onto why he's trying to say the Queen is equal to the President of the European Parliment.

    I mean the fact that the European Parliment is useless when it's not the only legislative body period is fun enough, but I want to see if he's an anti-royalist socialist douche or just some angry Euro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bambs View Post
    Hungary.
    In that case your opinion is disregarded. Your country has the most to lose out of a broken Europe because you're one of the poor weak states being propped up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    I wonder if anyone will see the irony of people telling Germans "How could you have followed Hitler?"
    I find it funny the Pro-EU people don't see how facist their system is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Killyox View Post
    Not that strong then.

    Facist state? You do know you are the one who sounds like that? The entirety of Brexit is pretty much for xenophobic reasons and nationalism.
    Like the Pole can talk about anything.

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