BREXIT - leave or remain?

[Lord Berserker]

That's because the Prince of Wales has essentially served as a foreign diplomat for 50 years. That's one of the coolest things about the royal family they act as diplomats while drawing on decades of experience/connections and are not members of any political party so they have loyalty only to Britain.

Just disregard Advanta.

He sounds like an Anti-royalist socialist loser who thinks the UK is a cultural Desert because we don't fit into his typical southern void.

[Consternation]

The day before the referendum Andrew Neil, in an interview with Boris Johnson, directly asked Boris if a brexit would see a reduction in immigrant numbers. In true Boris style he bumbled around the question and gave no answer.

The day after the referendum camp brexit finally admitted that there would be no reduction of immigrant numbers.

The controls are on who enters not how many.

and if they dont then the electorate can vote them out. you see the difference

[Ulmita]

Loaning money without factoring in the risks and then forcing an entire country to starve to pay you back isn't exactly how the world should run anyway. Germany fucked up as much as Greece, but they shifted all of the blame for their own greedy investment policy on the victims.


It's a fucked up way of looking at the world, you know.

Nah dude, Germany didn't fuck up. They know what they are doing.

They've made over 100Bln profit from since the Greek crisis start.

[Slant]

You are not only doing it to Greece man. I have a feeling that you are in denial here dude. No one fucking likes Berlin, cause of the same reason i told you. You will be the fall EU.

As for the money, i always give back man. All of my tools are German and i just ordered my X5. God bless German engineering. Nothing comes close to it.

First off, you're wrong. Many people like Berlin. See, most people realise Berlin isn't run by nazis anymore. It's actually fucking nice people that try to make everyone just freaking get along with each other. Many countries look to us for support here and there. We didn't campaign to be the biggest country. We didn't start our economic success in the 60s with the goal to someday dominate a European Union 50 years later. It just happened. And we take responsibility, and we sometimes make difficult calls. Because nobody else wants to do it.

And many are grateful for that. Show some fucking gratitude that we're saving your ass. And nobody gives a shit how many tools you buy from Bosch, that's not paying us back. Make sure your country runs properly from now on, like a real democracy, with transparent budgets, with proper tax ethics and with a less corruption than Sicily, if you can manage that for a decade or so. So show some fucking humility. Your country has a bad reputation as it is, don't add to it by being an arrogant ass about it.

[Triks]

Maybe he's driving ;p

Hahaha

[Slant]

Loaning money without factoring in the risks and then forcing an entire country to starve to pay you back isn't exactly how the world should run anyway. Germany fucked up as much as Greece, but they shifted all of the blame for their own greedy investment policy on the victims.


It's a fucked up way of looking at the world, you know.

Countries lend money to each other all the time. Germany lending to Greece before the crash was not a new or even uncommon thing, based on the faked budget reports that Greece showed everyone. It's the lending after the crash that's up for debate here. And when the country is about to starve, and let's not kid ourselves, it was close to full blown riots... banks were closed already, then lending a partner money to just keep things going is a good deed. Don't blame us for being good brothers to a bunch of ungrateful pricks that later keep on hating on us for it.

As for the deal. Greece agreed to it. Nobody got forced.

[Lord Berserker]

First off, you're wrong. Many people like Berlin. See, most people realise Berlin isn't run by nazis anymore. It's actually fucking nice people that try to make everyone just freaking get along with each other. Many countries look to us for support here and there. We didn't campaign to be the biggest country. We didn't start our economic success in the 60s with the goal to someday dominate a European Union 50 years later. It just happened. And we take responsibility, and we sometimes make difficult calls. Because nobody else wants to do it.

And many are grateful for that. Show some fucking gratitude that we're saving your ass. And nobody gives a shit how many tools you buy from Bosch, that's not paying us back. Make sure your country runs properly from now on, like a real democracy, with transparent budgets, with proper tax ethics and with a less corruption than Sicily, if you can manage that for a decade or so. So show some fucking humility. Your country has a bad reputation as it is, don't add to it by being an arrogant ass about it.

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You don't know better than yourself, trust US GERMANS to be better than you and save your ass.

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Countries lend money to each other all the time. Germany lending to Greece before the crash was not a new or even uncommon thing, based on the faked budget reports that Greece showed everyone. It's the lending after the crash that's up for debate here. And when the country is about to starve, and let's not kid ourselves, it was close to full blown riots... banks were closed already, then lending a partner money to just keep things going is a good deed. Don't blame us for being good brothers to a bunch of ungrateful pricks that later keep on hating on us for it.

As for the deal. Greece agreed to it. Nobody got forced.

You know what would have stopped the banks from closing?

Having control of your own currency. Thanks Germany!

[Slant]

Sorry, not every country dupes the others into relinquishing control of their currency and then utter destroys them with debt.

You clearly do not understand how the EU works, but just to rack up arguments for reporting you, are you saying Germany forced EU countries into relinquishing their currencies and then destroys countries with debt? Is that what you're saying?

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Nah dude, Germany didn't fuck up. They know what they are doing.

They've made over 100Bln profit from since the Greek crisis start.

Yeah, how about you lot take a lesson from us and start earning money? See, this is how hard work pays off. Something you apparently have yet to learn, Ulmita. So again, get cracking instead of making random bullshit posts here.

[Tartys]

To be precise, the President of the European Council - Donald Tusk.

When did we have a vote on who becomes one? Because, you know, I can't fucking remember ever voting for him. Infact we didn't get to vote on almost anyone making decicions for EU as a whole yet we have to abide by them.

Must be some new definition of democracy at work here.

So, you means only a Presidential system define what democracy is? Because we dont have any presidential system in EU. Just France with a semi-Presidential system, but many of EU Country dont have a direct election of the President... we vote for a Parliament.

In fact, you voted for who represents you in the European Parliament who chose the President of the European Council.

[Cybran]

As for the deal. Greece agreed to it. Nobody got forced.

They were threatened and bullied for months. The deal had terrible conditions attached to it. Suicides and poverty went up as a result. This isn't how the Leaders of Europe should behave.

[Lord Berserker]

You clearly do not understand how the EU works, but just to rack up arguments for reporting you, are you saying Germany forced EU countries into relinquishing their currencies and then destroys countries with debt? Is that what you're saying?

I am saying that's exactly what happened with greece.

Greece lost control of printing their own currency, so when the banks LITERALLY run out of money they're pretty fucked like what happened in Greece.

Don't see how that's a reportable offense, but nice going showing your Authoritarianism

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Yeah, how about you lot take a lesson from us and start earning money? See, this is how hard work pays off. Something you apparently have yet to learn, Ulmita. So again, get cracking instead of making random bullshit posts here.

so we all need to find some poor countries to cripple with bad deals? I thought Imperialism was bad? Or is it only bad when the English do it?

[Triks]

Slant's theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xx8Z2JFL44

You don't know better than yourself, trust US GERMANS to be better than you and save your ass.

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You know what would have stopped the banks from closing?

Having control of your own currency. Thanks Germany!

Greece were running fraudulent budgets and had swap contracts with foreign banks that they couldn't honor. When Germany, France and Italy intervened there were calls for closed borders and humanitarian aid in the realm of food and medicine. Nobody made Greece give up the Drachma but if the case is similar to Italy, it was better to go for the Euro, rather than having to deal with inflation.

If Greece still had the Drachma (provided it had any value up to now) right now it would be hyper-inflated because Greece would be literally printing its way out of debt. Choosing The Troika's deal was the lesser of two evils.

[caervek]

Greece were given loans and Greece are expected to pay those loans. The other scenario was to write off the loans and leave the UK, France and Italy angry for having their money wasted.

It's not quite that simple, Germany has been ducking Greece over the issue of repaying the money they stolen during WW2 for decades. Accounting for inflation Germany still owes Greece roughly €280bn, if you add interest it's nearly a trillion. Yet despite this they wouldn't even allow Greece to negotiate better terms for debt repayment.

[Ulmita]

Yeah, how about you lot take a lesson from us and start earning money? See, this is how hard work pays off. Something you apparently have yet to learn, Ulmita. So again, get cracking instead of making random bullshit posts here.

Lol i don't owe you shit, I do my taxes in Canada

Those 100 billion you made out of thin air. Because you got money with very little to no interest and then you lent it to other countries with higher interest.
That pimping euros

[Consternation]

You ignore the fact that the brexiters have brought our country to its knees, all because of their gullibility and the ease with which they accept lies and deception.

Our country is not on it's knees, stop overreacting

[Lord Berserker]

Greece were running fraudulent budgets and had swap contracts with foreign banks that they couldn't honor. When Germany, France and Italy intervened there were calls for closed borders and humanitarian aid in the realm of food and medicine. Nobody made Greece give up the Drachma but if the case is similar to Italy, it was better to go for the Euro, rather than having to deal with inflation.

If Greece still had the Drachma (provided it had any value up to now) right now it would be hyper-inflated because Greece would be literally printing its way out of debt. Choosing The Troika's deal was the lesser of two evils.

It was a stacked game from the start and the Germans didn't make it any easier for them.

[Triks]

It's not quite that simple, Germany has been ducking Greece over the issue of repaying the money they stolen during WW2 for decades. Accounting for inflation Germany still owes Greece roughly €280bn, if you add interest it's nearly a trillion. Yet despite this they wouldn't even allow Greece to negotiate better terms for debt repayment.

That's the whole problem with the deal, though - it left Greece humiliated, painted Germany as a villain and discredited the whole EU. It should have and could have been handled far better than this.

[Slant]

They were threatened and bullied for months. The deal had terrible conditions attached to it. Suicides and poverty went up as a result. This isn't how the Leaders of Europe should behave.

They were not threatened and not bullied. Greece made offers. The EU rejected those offers. Tsipras started antagonizing the EU over the tabloid press and the EU responded by telling him to sit down and learn how politics and diplomacy works. Then Greece made more offers that got rejected until they made an offer that got accepted. This is, btw, the original offer the EU proposed. This is not bullying. This is what happens when two parites negotiate a deal where one party has all the cards in the hands and the other party has jack shit and is literally begging for alms.

The alternative would have been to abandon Greece and let them fight for survival on their own. That was a viable option Greece people like Ulmita still like to ignore. they think it would all have been dandy. Just like Tsipras said. Destroy the Drachme into oblivion and hope for investments. What he forgot to mention is that nobody on the planet ever thought seriously about investing into Greece after the crash. Greece was a no-go area for everyone with money. Still is.

So basically, and this is the actual truth, the only way to have a scenario in which Ulmita is NOT pissed off at Germany is... if Germany basically gifts 100s of billions of Euros to Greece. For free. Without any conditions. Until the next time Greece is in a pickle, because in that scenario, they'd never actually change their corrupt Government or bad practices.

And that's just a ridiculous notion.

[Lord Berserker]

You ignore the fact that the brexiters have brought our country to its knees, all because of their gullibility and the ease with which they accept lies and deception.

You mean the knees were the pound is slowly regaining itself despite the efforts of every pro-EU milksop trying to project doom.

[caervek]

You clearly do not understand how the EU works, but just to rack up arguments for reporting you, are you saying Germany forced EU countries into relinquishing their currencies and then destroys countries with debt? Is that what you're saying?

You can't actually report him just because you don't like his opinion. The reporting system is only for spam, advertising messages, and personal attacks.