Well, it's happening, Trump is starting to lose bad in the polls..

[Orbitus]

Odd avatar for a man of 54.

Obviously you don't watch anything but Fox News if you don't know what his avatar is.

[Merkava]

Obviously you don't watch anything but Fox News if you don't know what his avatar is.

Maybe he's only on season 2, Orbitus. Did you ever think of that?

[Hooked]

Try watching Game of Thrones.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXAnxAA73xM

Sorry peter pan, didn't mean to offend you.

[Cthulhu 2020]

I was speaking to the fact that this year is entirely unpredictable, shit happens we just don't expect.

Brexit vote has been polling basically around 50% +- 3% for a long time now. Some days people feel they want to leave, some days they don't. All of the polls have been within a margin of error that's centered around 50%. It had been polling consistently on average at about 51-52% remain, but still that's a very very weak margin of victory statistics wise, and while many thought that meant the vote would go that way, I hate to tell anyone but if you've taken a statistics class at all, that's not an "upset" in the least.

Trump made a lot of noise and a lot of audacious statements early in the primaries. Most of the candidates running against him were establishment candidates. His early victories were small, only just barely beating out some of the more popular candidates by a hair, but media coverage of this audacious behavior along with him being seen as an underdog to these political giants, "America loves an underdog," boosted him gradually up the polls. By the time most of the establishment candidates had left the race it was too late, and I'm positive that if most of the lesser ones had bowed out sooner, we'd be seeing Cruz with that nomination. I imagine the same would have been true for Bernie and Clinton had more establishment Democratic candidates been running as well, Bernie would have had an easier time if the establishment vote had been split up among 5 other people.

The truth of the matter is Clinton has been polling well above 5% average over Trump for most of the race, and unless something completely outrageous happens (which is completely possible, just lacking in probability) then November is pretty obvious.

[Pangean]

Sorry peter pan, didn't mean to offend you.

Sure you did. But as I am sure you have heard before, you aren't very good at it.

[Osmeric]

I am an old man of 54. Currently on medical leave for a back injury.

I'm older than you are.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Trump was not predicted, neither was Brexit, and to a great extent nobody thought Hillary would have legit competition.

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Because IMHO she is going to enact policy I don't want my name endorsing it.

Also I am probably older than you or we are the same age, if you are that much older than me than I am a tad surprised you are here.

Early 30's, last I knew you were talking about wrestling with title IX as an RA. Title IX wasn't really a thing when I was going to school, and if you went to a frat party as a girl it was pretty much expected that if you got shit faced someone would see that as an invitation. Rapes were a real problem when I went to school and constantly talked about endlessly how something needed to be done. Title IX was an overcorrection, but those who pretend that nothing needed to be done were blind to many people's plights. But I digress back to the topic at hand.

I've been encouraged to be active politically since I was young. While I did not win the birth lottery my family is a hard working middle class family. When I was younger I thought protest votes were meaningful and that I was going to change the world by participating in a few school debates and showing up at the polls.

Then you learn that very little you do will ever change much, that change is gradual unless people are just utterly fed up with the status quo, because otherwise people HATE change as long as life is more or less working out for them. Hillary is that status quo, and things might deteriorate slow enough under her that enough people will become discontent the next time an election rolls around to elect a Warren or Bernie.

With Trump you have just another greedy Plutocat who knows the right things to say to a population of people who are emotionally reactionary to situations rather than calmly analytical.

He's just as bad if not worse than clinton fiscally. He's not a politician whose pockets are being lined by fat cats. He IS a fat cat who has all too willingly bought and paid for politicians in the past. Now he's just skipping the middle man.

Fiscally you're screwed with either candidate you pick. One just says words to pretend he cares about the middle class plight. You may be fine with the idea of a few regressive supreme court justices just because you grimace at the idea of Clinton, but I'm not. I'm at least wary of the issues that can be affected by the outcomes of the election.

Hillary's campaign is really going hard with pushing her visible presence everywhere, and concentrating on the areas that people really do love about her, namely her strong stance on social issues and the things she's done to help the disadvantaged. Trump's campaign is out of money, and it's showing with his nigh non existent ad presence. Many local republicans are upset about this because they know low national election profile means it's going to hurt them down the ballot on local elections, but a lot of the big players in the RNC have the same attitude as the Bernie Bros (even as a Bernie supporter, it's my affectionate name for his fanatical supporters) that they're going to let the party burn itself to the ground to purge it of Trumpites.

[Healing Rain]

Before you vote for Crooked Hillary don't forget that she fought for you to be killed by your mother and is a member of party that wants to take away your right to defend yourself.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Before you vote for Crooked Hillary don't forget that she fought for you to be killed by your mother and is a member of party that wants to take away your right to defend yourself.

I always get a chuckle from people who think being pro control means pro ban, even though Democrats poll extremely low on outright bans. It tells you who does political research and who uses Facebook memes as their primary source of political thought.

[Bodakane]

I always get a chuckle from people who think being pro control means pro ban, even though Democrats poll extremely low on outright bans. It tells you who does political research and who uses Facebook memes as their primary source of political thought.

I also think you're arguing with a 12 year old whose father is very conservative. Probably even doomsday prepper level conservative.

[alexw]

I also think you're arguing with a 12 year old whose father is very conservative. Probably even doomsday prepper level conservative.

It probably is the father. If you ever interact with that type you tend to find that they are at the intellectual level of 12 year olds.

[Felya]

Before you vote for Crooked Hillary don't forget that she fought for you to be killed by your mother and is a member of party that wants to take away your right to defend yourself.

Are you saying mothers want to take away our right to defend our selfs, so they can kill us? I knew mothers were too good to be true...

[NYC17]

Trump was not predicted, neither was Brexit, and to a great extent nobody thought Hillary would have legit competition.

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Because IMHO she is going to enact policy I don't want my name endorsing it.

Also I am probably older than you or we are the same age, if you are that much older than me than I am a tad surprised you are here.

Brexit has nothing to do with the "unpredictability" of our election cycle. You have 2 nominees. One was entirely predictable, so much so that it's an discussed since the last election, and the other isn't particularly surprising considering where the conservative base is right now. That hardly makes for an entirely unpredictable year.

[alexw]

Are you saying mothers want to take away our right to defend our selfs, so they can kill us? I knew mothers were too good to be true...

Guns in the womb you know it needs to happen.

[Pangean]

I'm older than you are.

Very cool. It's interesting how many old folks there are actually participating in the forum.

Guns in the womb you know it needs to happen.

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People have been wondering what Trump is hiding by not releasing his income taxes. Well here's a little hint.

Trump promised millions to charity. We found less than $10,000 over 7 years.

In May, under pressure from the news media, Donald Trump made good on a pledge he made four months earlier: He gave $1 million to a nonprofit group helping veterans’ families.

Before that, however, when was the last time that Trump gave any of his own money to a charity?

If Trump stands by his promises, such donations should be occurring all the time. In the past 15 years, Trump has promised to donate earnings from a wide variety of his money-making enterprises: “The Apprentice.” Trump Vodka. Trump University. A book. Another book. If he honored all those pledges, Trump’s gifts to charity would have topped $8.5 million.

But in that time, public records show, Trump donated about $2.8 million — less than a third of the pledged figure — through a foundation set up to give his money away. And there is no evidence that Trump has given to his foundation lately: The last record of any gift from him to his foundation was in 2008.

Trump and his staff are adamant that he has given away millions privately, off the foundation’s books. Trump won’t release his tax returns, which would confirm such gifts, and his staff won’t supply details. “There’s no way for you to know or understand,” Trump spokeswoman Hope Hicks told BuzzFeed recently.

Hicks did not respond to repeated questions about Trump’s charity from The Washington Post.

In recent weeks, The Post tried to answer the question by digging up records going back to the late 1980s and canvassing a wide swath of nonprofits with some connection to Trump.

That research showed that Trump has a long-standing habit of promising to give to charity. But Trump’s follow-through on those promises was middling — even at the beginning, in his early days as a national celebrity.

In the 1980s, Trump pledged to give away royalties from his first book to fight AIDS and multiple sclerosis. But he gave less to those causes than he did to his older daughter’s ballet school.

In recent years, Trump’s follow-through on his promises has been seemingly nonexistent.

The Post contacted 167 charities searching for evidence of personal gifts from Trump in the period between 2008 and this May. The Post sought out charities that had some link to Trump, either because he had given them his foundation’s money, appeared at their charity galas or praised them publicly.

The search turned up just one donation in that period — a 2009 gift of between $5,000 and $9,999 to the Police Athletic League of New York City.

Read the rest at: https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...ecb_story.html

[Deja Thoris]

Before you vote for Crooked Hillary don't forget that she fought for you to be killed by your mother and is a member of party that wants to take away your right to defend yourself.

It makes me weep that people like you can vote (or will be able to when you're 18)

Please learn to separate facts from hyperbole. Take everything that politicians say (on all sides) with a grain of salt and fact check.

[Cricket22]

Odd avatar for a man of 54.

You actually are believing him? I would say 15, and there's absolutely nothing that would ever convince me otherwise.

Protip: Put them both on ignore, which is what I did.

[Pangean]

You actually are believing him? I would say 15, and there's absolutely nothing that would ever convince me otherwise.

Protip: Put them both on ignore, which is what I did.

Lol, I love you too.

[Theodarzna]

Early 30's, last I knew you were talking about wrestling with title IX as an RA.

Welp, its not my first go through the college system, I have one BA and an MA in another field..... so take a big nice guess.

[Orbitus]

Maybe he's only on season 2, Orbitus. Did you ever think of that?

Then he needs to catch up and not mock something he doesn't know about.