[Beta] Havoc Discussion

[ChakanDH]

Small buff to Bloodlet. Sucks that i can't use it since Felblade is mandatory (atleast for me).
Should make Felblade baseline.

Not sure if Fel Eruption was a buff.

The whole "does 0% additional damage" part has me worried....

[Donovan4893]

Strafe Cancel is still present in this build so they have not fixed that yet.

Also I think they did fix Fel Eruption mine is hitting for 502k non crit against the target dummy in the hall.

Edit: yup Def fixed got a 1 mil crit with it

[Forde]

Strafe Cancel is still present in this build so they have not fixed that yet.

Also I think they did fix Fel Eruption mine is hitting for 502k non crit against the target dummy in the hall.

Edit: yup Def fixed got a 1 mil crit with it

Can confirm, getting upwards of 1 mil crits on mine as well. Spell states 290k damage, hits for 580k~ on raiders dummy, 1mil+ crits.

[Smeski]

Not sure if it's the server lagging but sometimes Momentum isn't proccing on Fel Rush, with or without hitting a target.

It's weird because I've experienced worse lag and it's proc'd before.

Edit: It's Fel Rush, it's sometimes not dealing damage, Fel Mastery & Momemtum both dead because of it until it's fixed

[Thrillhouse918]

Can confirm, getting upwards of 1 mil crits on mine as well. Spell states 290k damage, hits for 580k~ on raiders dummy, 1mil+ crits.

What kind of uptime is 'good' for Momentum in your average boss fight?

[ChakanDH]

Can confirm, getting upwards of 1 mil crits on mine as well. Spell states 290k damage, hits for 580k~ on raiders dummy, 1mil+ crits.

You fucking beauty!!!

[Unkhrahuun the Atoned]

You fucking beauty!!!

Is the Fel Eruption dream alive?!?

[Elennoko]

Not sure if it's the server lagging but sometimes Momentum isn't proccing on Fel Rush, with or without hitting a target.

It's weird because I've experienced worse lag and it's proc'd before.

Edit: It's Fel Rush, it's sometimes not dealing damage, Fel Mastery & Momemtum both dead because of it until it's fixed

Can confirm this. Fel Rush is not doing damage or applying momentum ever out of combat, and it does half the time when in combat.

[ChakanDH]

Is the Fel Eruption dream alive?!?

I reckon it is. Please excuse the following math as it's likely horribly wrong

Say your base damage is 500k against bosses, and you have 50% crit(fairly easy to achieve I reckon). Running with averages, your damage is likely to 750k per hit. This works out to a dps increase over no talent of a bit over 21k. Now im guessing an average dps of someone with around 840 ilevel to be around 200-220k? That should mean you could expect Fel eruption to be somewhere in the area of a 8-10% gain over no talent. With nemesis being a flat 7.5% and momentum being more 10% or so depending on uptime, I reckon fel eruption should be a decently viable talent.

Again, my maths could be way out, so please feel free to correct me

[Forde]

Is the Fel Eruption dream alive?!?

It might be, who knows. It definitely hits like a truck on bosses now, especially with over 1 mil crits. The CD might be the only thing holding it back.

What kind of uptime is 'good' for Momentum in your average boss fight?

I always aim for above 50%, if not 60%. It all depends on how I'm pooling fury and dumping it.

[Deleted]

So if Fel Eruption is now viable.

does that make eye beam on single target completely irrelevant now?

[Unkhrahuun the Atoned]

Question for testers: Have any of you figured out which ability/ abilities have a chance of generating a charge of Fel Barrage? I could've swore last time anyone cared to check they figured out only Chaos Strike was generating any charges; is that still the case?

[ogieford]

So does anyone know what is going on with the momentum bug?

[Mefistophelis]

so what talent combo would fel eruption go with ?

[ChakanDH]

so what talent combo would fel eruption go with ?

Any really. I personally use first blood and demonic, but I suppose chaos blades would have it doing some extra damage every third or fourth eruption? The low fury cost and relatively long CD mean it doesnt really mess with any other talents, its just a nice big nuke I quite like VR'ing away, hitting eruption mid air, and fel rushing back in(with fel mastery). Good times

[Mefistophelis]

People in Beta, can you check the proc on Infernal Alchemist Stone? I am leaning on grabbing alchemy and wowhead says it's 4747 agility for 15 sec.

Also if it can be upgraded with Obliterum.

[BurningBurns]

With Anguish of the Deciever is it worth it using EB on single target?

[dark666105]

How is the DH kit for raids looking? AoE(burst, sustained, spread), single target, target switching, stuff like that.

[chooi]

Momentum Bug

The new build broke Momentum. It is randomly triggered or not. Our movement seems to be irrelevant for that bug from my testing.

I've made a video about it. I had to make it quite long (~4min) because it's so very random. I had longer periods where Momentum triggered reliably and sudden phases where it didn't work at all.

See for yourself (it may be still processing on YT, might wait some minutes):

HERE

(copied from my post on official Havoc Feedback thread)

[Deleted]

With Anguish of the Deciever is it worth it using EB on single target?

i have not done the overall math but what can i say for sure is if you use Demonic, it'll always be worth cancelling it for more Annihilation.

How is the DH kit for raids looking? AoE(burst, sustained, spread), single target, target switching, stuff like that.

Momentum Build : Short and frequent burst windows controlled by your movement abilities. Good ST and excellent AOE

Chaos Blade : It is a more classic dps spec with sustained damages and burst coming with your CD's. Really good ST and decent AOE.