Neo-Nazis didn't start the violence at state Capitol, police say

[Vynny]

A whole lot of nazi-apologism in this thread. There is never a "I don't like nazis, but..." That "but" just shows your true intent: to excuse all of the behavior of nazis and the other associated white supremacists while pretending on the surface to be reasonable. There is nothing reasonable about nazism and defending it just shows you are a closet nazi spreading that vile filth while playing the victim when you receive the much deserved response.

But keep marking yourselves and all...

You seem to have this fundamental misunderstanding of rights that stems from deep seeded narcissism and idiocy, but rights are either extended to everyone or no one. The instant you attack someone else's right to free expression, you attack your own. Just think about it this way since you're so self-centered; one of these days you and yours are going to lose favor with the public, Trump's campaign is proof of that and the instant you've lost the reigns and are considered the outcasts, you will be treated similar to how you're treating them because you're normalizing violence as a response to transgressive views.

Also, does anyone else see the irony of an antifascist classifying and marking people as targets based on their views? I dunno, it sort of feels like a triangle badge is being put on my online pseudonym or something. How very Nazi-like.

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However, there is a very clear implied sympathy for them. That is what I am disagreeing with, not their freedom of speech. Showing sympathy to un-American traitors to score some political points cheapens your overall argument.

Let's not forget just who that enemy is: the most dangerous, most threatening group to ever challenge the US and one we weren't necessarily guaranteed "a win" against either. Hating my country and actively seeking to subvert it as they do, while championing its largest historical enemy, won't garner much sympathy from me—and feels like a bit of a betrayal to the sacrifice of The Greatest Generation.

They have the right to say what they want, but I have that right as well; I will use it fully to counter their propaganda.

Who are you talking about, the USSR? The Nazi's didn't even come close to beating the USA. I mean yeah, they gave Europe a good thrashing, but as soon as the US joined the fray, Nazi Germany was done for. Besides that, yes, you do have the right to say what you want and no one is begrudging Antifa for responding to a peaceful neo nazi protest with an anti fascist counter protest. They're begrudging Antifa for responding to a neo nazi protest with premeditated wanton violence. If Antifa would've shown up with picket signs and their 6 times as many people to just drown out the neo nazi's message with their own then no one would care, but that's not what happened at all.

[Northy]

[Saiona]

The police and the legislators seem to be incompetent.

My country and most countries have a specific prohibition against marching in uniform. It is militarism, and in european history such marches led directly to the overthrow or attempted overthrow of the state.

In the absence of a ban decent Americans should oppose such marches by any means necessary.

Glad he is banned. Can we keep teet suckling pro-state Europeans out of our business please? Don't incite violence or our 2nd amendment right will start defending its older brother

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However, there is a very clear implied sympathy for them. That is what I am disagreeing with, not their freedom of speech. Showing sympathy to un-American traitors to score some political points cheapens your overall argument.

Let's not forget just who that enemy is: the most dangerous, most threatening group to ever challenge the US and one we weren't necessarily guaranteed "a win" against either. Hating my country and actively seeking to subvert it as they do, while championing its largest historical enemy, won't garner much sympathy from me—and feels like a bit of a betrayal to the sacrifice of The Greatest Generation.

They have the right to say what they want, but I have that right as well; I will use it fully to counter their propaganda.

My great grandfather "greatest generation" fought in Germany in WWII he has since past, but I think he would be disgusted at how our younger generation thinks and what they think of our 1st amendment right. Fascism to me just sounds so much better than socialism as well.

[Dextroden]

However, there is a very clear implied sympathy for them. That is what I am disagreeing with, not their freedom of speech. Showing sympathy to un-American traitors to score some political points cheapens your overall argument.

Let's not forget just who that enemy is: the most dangerous, most threatening group to ever challenge the US and one we weren't necessarily guaranteed "a win" against either. Hating my country and actively seeking to subvert it as they do, while championing its largest historical enemy, won't garner much sympathy from me—and feels like a bit of a betrayal to the sacrifice of The Greatest Generation.

They have the right to say what they want, but I have that right as well; I will use it fully to counter their propaganda.

Then say it, don't swing it. Otherwise, people in here have zero right bitching about groups like them using violence to suppress the opposition.

I don't like them or their message. But once you determine beatings and stabbings are okay, they are okay in every direction.

[Ripster42]

Glad he is banned. Can we keep teet suckling pro-state Europeans out of our business please? Don't incite violence or our 2nd amendment right will start defending its older brother

They're the same age. The first 10 were added at the same time (1789). Edit: well, 1791, but proposed in 1789.

That being said, seems like the sacramento police did an incredibly poor job, and this might be one of the few times I side with tony.

[Kuntantee]

The far left and the far right, identical twins arguing over who is uglier.

There is a difference tho, it is often far-left gets beaten

[Deleted]

There is nothing reasonable about nazism and defending it just shows you are a closet nazi spreading that vile filth while playing the victim when you receive the much deserved response.

Liberal democracy.
Look it up.

[TwoNineMarine]

While I disagree with everything Neo-Nazi's stand for I fully believe they should be allowed to voice their opinion in a peaceful manner.

Assaulting them for their shitty beliefs makes you a much much shittier person.

[Ossus]

I don't care which side of this people are on. This behavior and the lack of response from the police should be worrying to everyone. I'm a history major and when I read stories like this I tend to draw lines to things that happened in the past as history tends to repeat itself when we don't learn from it or in this case, ignore it.

Go have a read on what the Sturmabteilung/SA(I can't post links yet) was about and what they did. We're walking a thin line in this country right now and I really hope we don't cross it.

[Self Inflicted Wounds]

How could anyone defend this?

[Xada]

How could anyone defend this?

With righteous zealotry, as always. As much as I detest supremacy groups and the like, you have freedom for all, or you have freedom for none. There is no perfect system that couldn't be abused by the right people.

[Self Inflicted Wounds]

With righteous zealotry, as always. As much as I detest supremacy groups and the like, you have freedom for all, or you have freedom for none. There is no perfect system that couldn't be abused by the right people.

Freedom for all.