The UK is suffering from a bad atmosphere

[Deleted]

Not everybody voting LEAVE supported UKIP
Some people voted LEAVE because they felt EU threatened their livelihoods
I understand the difficulty and in hindsight I would've voted REMAIN
However what annoys me is a % of the REMAIN crowd calling EVERYBODY who voted LEAVE as racist clueless idiots. That doesn't help anybody

Because a big part of these "people" that voted leave did so because they hate brown people or thought you would actually get 350 mil a week back which turned out to be a big lie.
I can't target one person at the time so I will call everyone who voted leave an idiot because there are no good reasons to leave except a few politicians trying to make a career ( Mr Mini trump, the ex mayor of your biggest financial hub?)

[alexw]

I'm not calling them racist, I didn't say that at all, so don't put words in my mouth.

People are afraid, theres nothing wrong with that. It is the fault of the current political parties that have allowed such fear to grow rampant by ignoring the working classes. When the likes of UKIP are your own only option to have your voice heard, you know you've fucked up.

The issue is the first past the post voting system. It makes it extremely difficult for new political parties to break through and shapes political systems so as to be dominated by only 2 political parties at any one time. If more voices are to be heard that needs to change so more groups can be represented, by moving to some sort of proportional system. Unfortunately as the current system overwhelmingly benefits the current political duopoly they do not want to change it as that would weaken their own political power. It would literally be turkeys voting for christmas.

[Deleted]

Because a big part of these "people" that voted leave did so because they hate brown people or thought you would actually get 350 mil a week back which turned out to be a big lie.
I can't target one person at the time so I will call everyone who voted leave an idiot because there are no good reasons to leave except a few politicians trying to make a career ( Mr Mini trump, the ex mayor of your biggest financial hub?)

Because your EU tax paied money ended up here in Romania to fund roads and highways that never got built but instead the money got stolen by corrupt politicians who got little to no jail time and no confiscation. So why not keep your money instead?

[Mihalik]

Nope, i won't put you on ignore, i quite enjoy the view of you screeching like a child over democracy.

Good. I'll keep continue screeching and you'll keep being ignorant.

[Harekrsna]

Both sides are being nasty twats, the difference is that the remain side seems to believe they are above everyone else, and that everyone who voted out is some unintelligent working-class cretin who shouldn't be allowed to have an opinion.
It's disgusting behaviour.


You see how they are constantly trying to piss at the elderly for voting, as if the elderly is incapable of caring for their own country and the state of the country they leave behind for their children, and the children of their children.
This sums up the entire remain side really.



Leave side isn't all that much better, as alot of the votes boils down to simple racism instead of the fear of losing work and livelihood thanks to mass immigration forced on them by EU.
But i know what side has been acting worse after this, and it sure as hell is the remain side, despite how much they try to deny it.
Personally i'm neutral on all this and i'm just enjoying the salt, i can see both positive and negative sides on both remain and leave.

Well the remain side should be acting worse seeing as their vote lost, and as far as they can tell Britain just took away any last vestige of power it ever had by leaving the EU.

As far as the leave, I've heard that since the vote went through foreigner violence and racist incidences have quadrupled. With the economic hailstorm thats going to be hitting Britain for the next decade I wouldn't be surprised if a dictatorship rises in Britain over the next decade with continued blame on foreigners and all that.

[Theodarzna]

Both sides are being nasty twats, the difference is that the remain side seems to believe they are above everyone else, and that everyone who voted out is some unintelligent working-class cretin who shouldn't be allowed to have an opinion.
It's disgusting behaviour.

You see how they are constantly trying to piss at the elderly for voting, as if the elderly is incapable of caring for their own country and the state of the country they leave behind for their children, and the children of their children.
This sums up the entire remain side really.


Leave side isn't all that much better, as alot of the votes boils down to simple racism instead of the fear of losing work and livelihood thanks to mass immigration forced on them by EU.
But i know what side has been acting worse after this, and it sure as hell is the remain side, despite how much they try to deny it.
Personally i'm neutral on all this and i'm just enjoying the salt, i can see both positive and negative sides on both remain and leave.

In a Technocracy there can be no solidarity. There is a definite elitist attitude on the remain side, and it's not very good, but at the end of the day, I do read this as somewhat of a revolt against Technocrats who lets face it, serve the interests of elites versus others. Things are going to be painted as a starkly black and white thing as people try to shore up who they are and who is who.

As for the elite and the technocrats....

There is a difference between a democracy that elects knowledgeable people and a system in which knowledgeable people are appointed. More over there is a second issue with technocrats specifically, that they are not unbiased, Technocracy is just a smokescreen. It is a political ploy used to implement unpopular policies using alleged "skill and knowledge" as a justification as opposed to "will of the people" that traditional political activists use to back theirs. The technocrats are usually put in power as a face to a specific policy platform - not as independent experts given political influence to solve a problem the best way possible.

When a technocrat is nominated it means that the special interest backing such person is already winning the political battle. That means they represent a very clear and specific political interest and very often an already agreed-upon (behind the closed doors) plan of action. Similarly when popular politicians get elected they don't start wondering what to do with the issues facing the country. They were elected on a specific platform already.

When Mario Monti - the so called "independent" technocrat - was put in power in Italy it was because the consensus of the elite was that some control was needed to put Italian economy and budget on a proper (EU/EBC approved) road. When Syriza won in Greece it was because the people knew what they wanted very specifically (their campaign promises and pledges).

The main reason for the lack of popularity of technocrats is that in most cases technocrats exist to maintain status quo which has grown unpopular and faces popular disapproval.

[Deleted]

Because your EU tax paied money ended up here in Romania to fund roads and highways that never got built but instead the money got stolen by corrupt politicians who got little to no jail time and no confiscation. So why not keep your money instead?

Lets stop doing charity work all together then seeing most of that will end up in pockets of rich ass holes.

[Shadowmelded]

Maybe in England. Up here it's been fine. If anything it's brought people together who had previously been on opposing sides of the indyref.

[Strangebrew]

Good. I'll keep continue screeching and you'll keep being ignorant.

Ah i was waiting for it, the black and white approach.
Go on, ignore that i said i am already neutral on brexit.

The "either you are with me or you are the enemy" attitude you are displaying shows again you aren't as intellectually superior as you like to pretend to be.
The screeching is like music.

[alexw]

What partisan bollocks. Labour would have done virtually the same as the Conservatives with the economy, except possibly spent more of what we do not have.

Oh I have not said labour are any better. They did exactly the same vis a vis housing and their prawn cocktail offensive, where they courted the financial sector and ignored the effects its malign influence was having on the economy. As for whether they would have done the same post-2008 its impossible to say as they didn't hold power while the conservatives did. But even if what you say is true it still does not excuse what the conservative party has done.

Or do you think it does? Do you think that because labour might have done the same then its perfectly fine for the Tories to inflate a ginormous asset bubble? Are you really making that argument?

[Theodarzna]

Ah i was waiting for it, the black and white approach.
Go on, ignore that i said i am already neutral on brexit.

The "either you are with me or you are the enemy" attitude you are displaying shows again you aren't as intellectually superior as you like to pretend to be.
The screeching is like music.

In a battle between identity and virtue signalling the ranker will be off the charts.

[Tijuana]

Ah i was waiting for it, the black and white approach.
Go on, ignore that i said i am already neutral on brexit.

The "either you are with me or you are the enemy" attitude you are displaying shows again you aren't as intellectually superior as you like to pretend to be.
The screeching is like music.

Well, he doesn't even understand both sides so, yeah he won't be accused of intellectualism.

[Strangebrew]

In a battle between identity and virtue signalling the ranker will be off the charts.

Well, he doesn't even understand both sides so, yeah he won't be accused of intellectualism.

From what i have seen so far, he seems to believe throwing insults and acting like a 6 year old child towards people of opposing opinions and ideas is an act of intellectualism.
I don't know wether to laugh or feel pity.


Surprisingly enough apparantly, calling people racists and unintelligent cretins drives them away from you, maybe that's exactly why leave got so many votes, who whod a thought.

[Cosmic Janitor]

I think this thread colourfully demonstrated the unpleasant atmosphere people are causing

I mean it's kind of amusing how you just sit there and pretend it doesn't affect you.

[Suggs]

How fucking stupid would you have to be, to decide that you hate every SINGLE person that happens to hold a different view than your own, and think that's a reasonable position to hold. Get over it.

He is in the other thread talking more uneducated shit. Dont feed the fucking Bigot.

[klogaroth]

Maybe in England. Up here it's been fine. If anything it's brought people together who had previously been on opposing sides of the indyref.

That's because there's a new thing to split on instead of the indyref.

Just wait until someone realises that the way to unite the country is to declare war on France....

(kidding, obvs)

[Ripster42]

From what i have seen so far, he seems to believe throwing insults and acting like a 6 year old child towards people of opposing opinions and ideas is an act of intellectualism.
I don't know wether to laugh or feel pity.


Surprisingly enough apparantly, calling people racists and unintelligent cretins drives them away from you, maybe that's exactly why leave got so many votes, who whod a thought.

So you're going to say someone is throwing insults around while calling them a child?

[Poppen]

It's like leaving a shitty job to go unemployed. Sure the job was shite but still better than being on the dole.

[Tijuana]

That's because there's a new thing to split on instead of the indyref.

Just wait until someone realises that the way to unite the country is to declare war on France....

(kidding, obvs)

[Revi]

So we're agreed that in this instance, self determination is a weak argument, although not in every instance.

Yeah, I'm still looking for a good reason that all the "leavers" supposedly had in thier hearts. Because it's pretty plain that most of it was "I'm pissed off about life and the papers are telling me to blame the foreigners who are here".

By no means is this the end, open invitation for anyone to come up with an actually valid reason for voting leave.

No, I think it's a strong argument in this case. Just because a great democracy is not the immediate consequence doesn't matter, it's a step towards preserving the ability to vote for one. That ability in itself is self determination.