I KNEW the movie would flop

[Nyel]

I am willing to bet their are a lot of people in the US who wanted to see it, but due to the stigma attached to WOW didn't bother; therefore, I suspect that it'll do pretty well in DVD/Blue-ray and Streaming sales. TBH, I'd rather see them continue the story via a TV series, where not only is it a lot cheaper, but they will have more time to develop the story and characters of Warcraft.

That would be imho much better. Make a Warcraft TV series and not such messy movies. Dreaming about a GoT style / quality Warcraft series with two or three seasons seems to be incredibly naive but hey, it'll be better than any WC movie they could possibly release (I highly doubt we'll ever see a 2nd WC movie at all).

[mittacc]

The movie is a box office bomb and it was more than obvious. 45 million in the US is pathetic.

Without China the movie would have been a financial disaster and even with China a box office ~ 400-450 million is anything but a success.

Why do you even care how many people watch it in th US? It's notl ike that money is worth more lol. It's the total revenue that is important, right?

[Deleted]

It is because of opportunity costs.

That's a lazy argument. You can't guarantee that they would've spent the same money on another project with a bigger ROI. Going by that everything anyone ever does is inherently a flop.

Come on, you can at least try to do better than this.

[Pann]

That's a lazy argument. You can't guarantee that they would've spent the same money on another project with a bigger ROI. Going by that everything anyone ever does is inherently a flop.

Come on, you can at least try to do better than this.

At present it has made a loss they could have stashed the money under their beds and had a better ROI.

[Nyel]

Why do you even care how many people watch it in th US? It's notl ike that money is worth more lol. It's the total revenue that is important, right?

It is but it's quite relevant for a US production how much money they make in the domestic box office. And $45 million (maybe it will make $50-60 million when it's run is finished but I doubt it) is pathetic. There is absolutely no excuse for this poor domestic performance.

The overall revenue is maybe the most important factor, yes. And as I said, $400-450 million are okay, but nothing good or great for a movie like Warcraft that had a production budget of $160 million and a marketing and advertising budget of $100 million and more.

[mittacc]

It is but it's quite relevant for a US production how much money they make in the domestic box office. And $45 million (maybe it will make $50-60 million when it's run is finished but I doubt it) is pathetic. There is absolutely no excuse for this poor domestic performance.

The overall revenue is maybe the most important factor, yes. And as I said, $400-450 million are okay, but nothing good or great for a movie like Warcraft that had a production budget of $160 million and a marketing and advertising budget of $100 million and more.

So "because reasons" basically? Why would, for example, DICE care how many swedes bought their latest battlefield game if it does well abroad? No reason at all.

[Deleted]

At present it has made a loss they could have stashed the money under their beds and had a better ROI.

Stashing the money under their beds would've made a loss as well with current inflation levels of 1%-1.1% year-on-year in the US with no potential to generate profits in the future and without generating economical value by employing several hundreds of people and advancing technology at Industrial Light & Magic, for example.

I didn't expect an intelligent train of thought from people on a video game messaging board with close 9000 posts in 6 years, so I can't be disappointed by your obtuse reply.

[Osmeric]

Stashing the money under their beds would've made a loss as well with current inflation levels of 1%-1.1% year-on-year in the US with no potential to generate profits in the future and without generating economical value by employing several hundreds of people and advancing technology at Industrial Light & Magic, for example.

I wouldn't expect an intelligent train of thought from people on a video game messaging board with close 9000 posts in 6 years.

Buddy, if people aren't adjusting the invested dollars and box office for inflation, then those claiming a positive ROI for the movie are making exactly the same mistake.

[Deleted]

Buddy, if people aren't adjusting the invested dollars and box office for inflation, then those claiming a positive ROI for the movie are making exactly the same mistake.

Well done ignoring 75% of my point. You fit the bill even better, buddy.

Do explain to me how stashing the money in a sock has equal economical value as a movie that generated 400 million dollars in turnover.

[Nyel]

So "because reasons" basically? Why would, for example, DICE care how many swedes bought their latest battlefield game if it does well abroad? No reason at all.

(Most) Games are not movies, right? And for sure not Hollywood blockbuster movies that want to make hundreds of millions. For movies it indeed matters how good or bad the domestic box office is. And the domestic box office for Warcraft is pathetic.

A US studio doesn't produce movies only to get international success.

[rda]

That's a lazy argument. You can't guarantee that they would've spent the same money on another project with a bigger ROI. Going by that everything anyone ever does is inherently a flop.

Come on, you can at least try to do better than this.

It doesn't work like that.

Yes, there's no guarantee that if they spent money elsewhere, they'd have turned a better profit. (Heck, if they flushed money down the toilet, they'd have lost them.)

But if the movie merely breaks even, it was a waste of time, a bad investment.

That's it.

[Pann]

Stashing the money under their beds would've made a loss as well with current inflation levels of 1%-1.1% year-on-year in the US with no potential to generate profits in the future and without generating economical value by employing several hundreds of people and advancing technology at Industrial Light & Magic, for example.

I didn't expect an intelligent train of thought from people on a video game messaging board with close 9000 posts in 6 years, so I can't be disappointed by your obtuse reply.

I'm sorry did I say that it would not have made a loss? I wrote better for someone who is apparently a cut above us plebs on a video game messaging board you don't appear to be too hot on this basic reading malarkey.

I am sorry if I upset you but there is no need to be so rude.

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Well done ignoring 75% of my point. You fit the bill even better, buddy.

Do explain to me how stashing the money in a sock has equal economical value as a movie that generated 400 million dollars in turnover.

Do you not see how stashing money anywhere is better than spending circa $250million on producing and marketing a movie and only making roughly $200million back?

[Adramelch]

Do you not see how stashing money anywhere is better than spending circa $250million on producing and marketing a movie and only making roughly $200million back?

They were talking about breaking even though, before you came with the "stashing money under the bed" comment.

[Niwes]

dont know what ppl talkin about here. in china only, the movie did 270mio+. with russia and germany, the movie already did profit. and this since a while. no clue what ppl talkin here.

ps: to me its a so great laughable fact, that stupid americans all look in their idiotic previews and what the "professionals" and "crtitics" say (most of them are stupid like hell), and make their own selffullfilling prophecy. while the rest of the world is just watching the movie to form their own oppinion. thats soooo cute idiotic american style. i love that

[Osmeric]

Well done ignoring 75% of my point. You fit the bill even better, buddy.

Do explain to me how stashing the money in a sock has equal economical value as a movie that generated 400 million dollars in turnover.

If the fraction of the money that goes back to the studio is < $160M (yes yes, taking minor inflation into account yadda yadda, and also taking into account value for Wanda who now owns Legendary) then having simply sat on the money makes them come out ahead.

Really, this is not hard to understand, your silly bluster notwithstanding.

[rda]

dont know what ppl talkin about here. in china only, the movie did 270mio+. with russia and germany, the movie already did profit. and this since a while. no clue what ppl talkin here.

There's no profit. The costs are: $160 mil production + ~$100 mil (for now) marketing, and the money coming in are ~$400 mil *divided by a factor of 2 or so*, because of the middlemen. It's on every page.

(PS: I disagree completely with your other paragraph, but that's not important.)

[mittacc]

(Most) Games are not movies, right? And for sure not Hollywood blockbuster movies that want to make hundreds of millions. For movies it indeed matters how good or bad the domestic box office is. And the domestic box office for Warcraft is pathetic.

A US studio doesn't produce movies only to get international success.

Why does the type of product matter? Are you serious?

edit: I could unserstand if you didn't want to sell military stuff to other nations but that's another story. This is just to make money and that is all that matters.

[Pann]

They were talking about breaking even though, before you came with the "stashing money under the bed" comment.

Making less money than they spent is not breaking even.

[Jaylock]

Well done ignoring 75% of my point. You fit the bill even better, buddy.

Do explain to me how stashing the money in a sock has equal economical value as a movie that generated 400 million dollars in turnover.

Not sure what rock you are living under, but the movie was / is a HUGE success. You can bet there will be sequels made. You can mark my words on that.

[rda]

Not sure what rock you are living under, but the movie was / is a HUGE success. You can bet there will be sequels made. You can mark my words on that.

How much profit did the movie bring?