Legion - shadowdance bar (macro/addon?)

[elfporn]

Hey I threw this is the stickied 100 page Sublety discussion but it might get lost in there so I'll put it here too since it's relevant and looks like a lot of people are struggling with it...

I made some macros on the Beta that turn Sub into a 3 button spec for casual players just getting first introduced to the spec in Legion.

You only need Backstab on your bar, and these two macros:

#showtooltip Shadowstrike
/cast Shadow Blades
/cast [nostealth]Shadow Dance
/cast Shadowstrike
/cast Symbols of Death
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear()

#showtooltip
/cast [mod:shift]Eviscerate
/castsequence reset=target Nightblade,Eviscerate
/cast [nostealth,combat]Vanish

*With this macro: If you are generating Combo Points too fast and you aren't ready for another Nightblade, you can hold shift and it will temporarily Eviscerate.


**Also it's easy to figure out but I'll mention, pre-pull in Stealth you are going to press Symbols of Death shortly before entering combat, then open with the first macro.


I made macros for most classes so PM me if you're interested in other specs or had any questions, I am not a rogue main so I probably won't be checking this thread.

First i'd like ot mention that the spec right now is too complicated for either one of those macros to work at all.

In the first macro, using shadow dance with the nostealth modifier is a bad idea because you don't want to always use shadow dance. Right after the previous shadow dance.

SoD should be used before a shadowstrike due to the crit guarantee on shadowstrike.
SoD should never be macroed due to its cost and zero cooldown - this macro would use 80 energy every time you use it (if you have 80 energy)

There are good macros to use with the spec, but optimal play will never use allinone macros like those.

[Deleted]

I played Sub on the PTR and found the personal solution, which works for me. I use the same keybind for Shadowstrike and Backstab ( In essence I played with the same keybinds I'm used to):

#showtooltip Shadow Dance
/cast Shadow Dance
/swapactionabar 1 2

and I use the bar-swap macro on every finisher, because naturally after 3 shadowstrikes you should have enough CP's for a 5 CP finisher.
(If not... make sure you have less Energy, than needed for the finisher to still toggle the bar-swap)

#showtooltip Eviscerate
/cast Eviscerate
/swapactionbar 1 2

[Notter]

I played Sub on the PTR and found the personal solution, which works for me. I use the same keybind for Shadowstrike and Backstab ( In essence I played with the same keybinds I'm used to):

#showtooltip Shadow Dance
/cast Shadow Dance
/swapactionabar 1 2

and I use the bar-swap macro on every finisher, because naturally after 3 shadowstrikes you should have enough CP's for a 5 CP finisher.
(If not... make sure you have less Energy, than needed for the finisher to still toggle the bar-swap)

#showtooltip Eviscerate
/cast Eviscerate
/swapactionbar 1 2

With Night Stalker trait, you'll probably wanna cast a finisher as soon as you enter stealth before shadow strikes, so that's an issue

[elfporn]

With Night Stalker trait, you'll probably wanna cast a finisher as soon as you enter stealth before shadow strikes, so that's an issue

While this is definitely true, or can be, the fact remains that manually paging bars is the only solution to celestalon's fuckup.

I will be using a similar in-game macro, with a hardware macro to automatically switch back after 3/5seconds. Same thing except i don't tie my eviscerate to page my bars.

[lawomous]

First i'd like ot mention that the spec right now is too complicated for either one of those macros to work at all.

In the first macro, using shadow dance with the nostealth modifier is a bad idea because you don't want to always use shadow dance. Right after the previous shadow dance.

-- Thanks for the input, firstly I agree 100% the spec is too complicated. You can focus your attention about not standing in the fire instead of thinking which of 12 buttons to hit. This only Shadow Dances if you are pressing the Shadowstrike button which means that is what you intend to do. If you don't want to Shadow Dance you can still hit your Backstab and nothing will happen.

SoD should be used before a shadowstrike due to the crit guarantee on shadowstrike.
SoD should never be macroed due to its cost and zero cooldown - this macro would use 80 energy every time you use it (if you have 80 energy)

--You are right, I didn't know about the crit buff but I tested it again and the crit buff is being improperly eaten up but not actually critting anything on the first or second Shadowstrike you cast it's just gone immediately, maybe its a bug but I swapped the order and it applies correctly now.

Symbols of Death has a 10 second cooldown actually and assuming you pick Master of Shadows SoD only costs effectively 5 energy and is your highest priority to keep up.

[Felfaadaern Darkterror]

With Deepening Shadows, how often do we end up getting to Shadow Dance? I know it will depend on everything from target switching to interrupts to manual dexterity, but has anyone worked out averages?

[elfporn]

With Deepening Shadows, how often do we end up getting to Shadow Dance? I know it will depend on everything from target switching to interrupts to manual dexterity, but has anyone worked out averages?

every 3 finishers with deeper stratagem. Every 4 otherwise.

[Kainslife]

While this is definitely true, or can be, the fact remains that manually paging bars is the only solution to celestalon's fuckup.

I will be using a similar in-game macro, with a hardware macro to automatically switch back after 3/5seconds. Same thing except i don't tie my eviscerate to page my bars.

Alternative solution is just put abilities on your bar and bind them.

[Felfaadaern Darkterror]

every 3 finishers with deeper stratagem. Every 4 otherwise.

That's lots of dancing! Thanks!

[elfporn]

Alternative solution is just put abilities on your bar and bind them.

11 years of gameplay changed for no reason? the solution is not to just "take in in the ass like a man" as you say. The solution is to find a way to continue the way we have for so long.

For some people it's not a big deal, for others it is, in particular when viewed against the double standard as compared to the dozen or more other abilities that work exactly the same way as shadowstrike/backstab, even demon hunter has several abilities that act the same way with bar paging/merging

[Kainslife]

11 years of gameplay changed for no reason? the solution is not to just "take in in the ass like a man" as you say. The solution is to find a way to continue the way we have for so long.

For some people it's not a big deal, for others it is, in particular when viewed against the double standard as compared to the dozen or more other abilities that work exactly the same way as shadowstrike/backstab, even demon hunter has several abilities that act the same way with bar paging/merging

Just seems an odd hill to die on is all, especially if you're risking an account ban by using hardware macros over 1-3 keybinds.

[bloodmoth13]

Just give a proc to allow a free shadowstrike outside of stealth when using backstab and this wouldnt be an issue

[Soisoisoi]

Just give a proc to allow a free shadowstrike outside of stealth when using backstab and this wouldnt be an issue

So basically Dispatch? Seems a bit meh. I'd rather they just merge Shadowstrike/BS OR give us the stance back.

[bloodmoth13]

So basically Dispatch? Seems a bit meh. I'd rather they just merge Shadowstrike/BS OR give us the stance back.

to be honest, exactly that.

Im not going to pretend that its the most creative decision to ever grace the game, but its a simple and elegant one.

The problem here is that blizz WANT sub to have an extra button, and for better or worse its shadowstrike. They dont want to reduce the buttons bound for sub.

The problem is that BS and SS have near identical use cases with no overlap, the stancebar change was very appropriate because they were in essence the same ability, blizz's direction now is to separate them, and a simple and elegant way is to just provide either SS outside of stealth, or backstab during stealth/SD, the latter being quite lame, so i went with the former.

it is a pretty meh change, but its the only alternative to a complete revert or merger i have seen.

[kalaratic]

Just give a proc to allow a free shadowstrike outside of stealth when using backstab and this wouldnt be an issue

knowing how blizz loves to bandage the spec i'm sure this will be a 2 piece tier bonus at some point

[elfporn]

Just seems an odd hill to die on is all, especially if you're risking an account ban by using hardware macros over 1-3 keybinds.

There are ways to fine tune macros to make them random(and harder to detect as macros or bots). As in i can make a macro that presses a key every 1.8-2.8 seconds. Or i can bind bar 1 to shift-1 and make a macro to press shift-1 when i press my shadowdance hotkey, and then hit shift-1 3.001-3.9 seconds later.

The risk for account ban is minimal. i'm not creating some bullshit macro to press my entire rotation out in sequence.

[bloodmoth13]

knowing how blizz loves to bandage the spec i'm sure this will be a 2 piece tier bonus at some point

I thought they werent doing set bonuses anymore since artifacts exists?

If they keep this 2 button thing going on, then i think they need to implement this...

[kalaratic]

I thought they werent doing set bonuses anymore since artifacts exists?

If they keep this 2 button thing going on, then i think they need to implement this...

oh ya we still have tier set bonuses. you can check out the rogue one here

[Kainslife]

I thought they werent doing set bonuses anymore since artifacts exists?

If they keep this 2 button thing going on, then i think they need to implement this...

Supposedly they're going to tone down the set bonuses because they only drop in raids and Mythic+ and World Quests are both considered endgame for non-raiders. They don't want you to have to raid to be able to beat Mythic+.

[Deleted]

Well this should be possible with a weakaura too.
A trigger after shadow dance that is 3sec active and does "ChangeActionBarPage(2)" and on hide "ChangeActionBarPage(1)" should not be complicated.
It should work but i did not test it on beta so far.