Hillary Tanks in the Polls - Trump rises like a Hero

[Wells]

I wouldn't say either has failed just that Democrats are better at selling their promise of economic prosperity to people with less equity built up.

You're right to say the Democrats have done a better job appealing to minorities, but a lot of that is due to unforced errors by the GOP that struggles to contain its white nationalist segment.

[Elegiac]

You're right to say the Democrats have done a better job appealing to minorities, but a lot of that is due to unforced errors by the GOP that struggles to contain its white nationalist segment.

That and it's basically borderline fact that conservative economics benefit only the rich.

[Wells]

That and it's basically borderline fact that conservative economics benefit only the rich.

Sure, but for instance with Latinos, there could be a lot of room for the GOP to work with "government bloat doesn't work, just look at the immigration process your family members have to go through".

Instead we get this nonsense about rapists.

[PC2]

You're right to say the Democrats have done a better job appealing to minorities, but a lot of that is due to unforced errors by the GOP that struggles to contain its white nationalist segment.

Is being pro-the law and anti-illegal considered "white nationalist". Otherwise I'm not seeing any white nationalist policy.

[Wells]

Is being pro-the law and anti-illegal considered "white nationalist". Otherwise I'm not seeing any white nationalist policy.

Oh come now, there's really no point trying to pretend that nativism, in particular white nativism, isn't a block in the GOP base.

[Elegiac]

Is being pro-the law and anti-illegal considered "white nationalist".

Yes.

Either that or of incredibly limited intellectual faculties if your line of thought stops at 'it's illegal, therefore it's bad'.

[PC2]

Oh come now, there's really no point trying to pretend that nativism, in particular white nativism, isn't a block in the GOP base.

This is just more fallacy of attacking the perceived identity, it isn't a policy argument. Pointing to a Trump proposal that is white nationalist would be an example of a legitimate point.

[Wells]

This is just more fallacy of attacking the perceived identity, it isn't a policy argument. Pointing to a Trump proposal that is white nationalist would be an example of a legitimate point.

I'm not attacking the identity any more than saying "Libertarians are a block in the GOP base" is. White nationalism is a thing, and that xenophobia is something that the GOP has tapped into before. Shit, its what Trump seems to be doing on every day ending in Y. He opened his campaign with "they're sending us rapists".

And its silly really, because they're a tiny group that alienates a much larger one.

[primalmatter]

That whole " I am above the law" pass Hillary got kinda hurt her in the polls.

[Eviscero]

This is just more fallacy of attacking the perceived identity, it isn't a policy argument. Pointing to a Trump proposal that is white nationalist would be an example of a legitimate point.

Banning a religion from travel to the US. Now shut the fuck up.

[primalmatter]

Banning a religion from travel to the US. Now shut the fuck up.

How is that a racial issue?

[Eviscero]

How is that a racial issue?

Don't be dim.

[PC2]

Banning a religion from travel to the US. Now shut the fuck up.

If he wanted to ban non-white travel to the US then that would pertain to the argument.

[Eviscero]

If he wanted to ban non-white travel to the US then that would pertain to the argument.

You're actively ignoring a lot. You shouldn't do that.

[primalmatter]

Don't be dim.

No you just said he wants to ban a religion so that somehow makes him a white nationalist explain how.

[Elegiac]

Nice to see the joke factory that is Didactic back in action.

Just when you thought a Trump/Hillary thread was safe....

Apparently questioning why X law is or should be a thing is off limits in modern American politics.

[Theodarzna]

I wouldn't say either has failed just that Democrats are better at selling their promise of economic prosperity to people with less equity built up.

Democrats depend heavily on the "You have nowhere else to go," I.E. that the GOP is a bit worse, thus even if the Democrats plan to fuck over these constituencies like Labour and various ethnic voting blocs, it won't matter, who else will they vote for?

[Wells]

Democrats depend heavily on the "You have nowhere else to go," I.E. that the GOP is a bit worse, thus even if the Democrats plan to fuck over these constituencies like Labour and various ethnic voting blocs, it won't matter, who else will they vote for?

Which is why you work for change in the Primaries and then support the least bad option in the General. First Past the Post might be shitty, but its not complicated....

[Theodarzna]

Which is why you work for change in the Primaries and then support the least bad option in the General. First Past the Post might be shitty, but its not complicated....

Change didn't happen in the primaries, we got a calculating villain at best. Not exactly room for smiles. I mean unless you make bombs headed for Syria, got a stock portfolio your excited for?

[Wells]

Change didn't happen in the primaries, we got a calculating villain at best. Not exactly room for smiles. I mean unless you make bombs headed for Syria, got a stock portfolio your excited for?

Then your side wasn't more popular. Welcome to vooooooottttiiiiiingg Its how the system you agreed to take part in works.