Hillary Clinton Unveils Debt-Free College For All, Adopting Major Bernie Sanders Plan

[Ripster42]

Not if they pay her to not tax them, which they are.



I'd like to go back and learn about CRISPR. It is the future of medical technology.

Well, using gene editing "software" probably is, crispr might be replaced in the next decade once researchers start expanding the library for NgAgo . It's (edit:crispr's) specificity is fairly low compared to newer methods and has a lot more potential side effects than NgAgo because crispr's targeting is more generic. That sorta sounded like a tautology, but it's not. One is how "choosy" it is when actually editing, the other is how choosy it is when "deciding" what to edit.

Edited for minor clarity.

[Tijuana]

He'll at this point I don't even know why we bother collecting taxes.

I mean, people don't seem to care about the growing debt and crippling interest payments on the debt. Let's just forgo collecting taxes and just put it all on uncle Sam's credit card.

It's like, they don't understand the basic concept that if you give away too much stuff, you eventually have to give away less stuff to pay the interest on the prior stuff. It doesn't take an accounting major to understand yet, here we are.

[Collegeguy]

Once again that's the wrong way to go about it. The better option is to open up forgiveness plans that the public sector receive. Public sector employees get massive college bills that are forgivable under the old 80s and 90s pretense that they are paid less than the private sector.

[Typhoria]

Any idea what this would do to all those little beloved private schools? They would go under. Can't compete with free.

Based on 2005 data:
Institutions/Enrollment
Public 4-year institutions: 629/6,837,605
Private 4-year institutions: 1,845/4,161,815
Public 2-year institutions: 1,070/6,184,229
Private 2-year institutions: 596/303,826

Until employers don't value public university because people whine how hard it is and they dumb down the process even more. Most of the Ivy league schools and Vanderbilt get most money from research, wealthy alumni, or trusts.

[alexw]

She is trying hard to secure the vote of the young and gullible. Who basically live like grasshoppers, not preparing for the winter.

Err what???? Investing into the future a.k.a young people, IS preparing for the future.

[Theinquisition]

It's like, they don't understand the basic concept that if you give away too much stuff, you eventually have to give away less stuff to pay the interest on the prior stuff. It doesn't take an accounting major to understand yet, here we are.

Well,guess they will be over the next eight years.

You know, as much shit as I talk, I've never truly been afraid for my country until now. Between trump and Hillary......well.....there's no other way to go but straight down the toilet.

At this point, maybe we deserve it. The American people will get the govt they deserve. I'm stocking up on ammo and mres, it's gonna be a bumpy ride.

[Malfecto]

In an attempt to try to remain in a non-partisan position, the problem with anyone's "free college" or what have you is that it doesn't do any good if there are not enough jobs for those graduates to move into when they leave school. I think I read an article that stated that 40% of students are in default. This isn't just because said students might not have jobs, since there is evidence of Obama's push to massage federal rates have generated some relief, but it isn't enough. This is around 200 billion dollars, or rougly 20% of debt that may never return to the coffers. This is an unsustainable loss rate for non-profit agency.

By moving the burden from the individual to the taxpayer requires that the recipient of the aid then move into the system as a taxpayer. This fundamental stumbling block presents itself in other social programs because we are supporting a social aid system with a capitalist market and there are no safety nets when the economy takes a dump. Even some students with jobs are finding it hard to participate in the economy in a meaningful way with the amount of debt that they owe.

Any candidate that does not have a plan that takes this into consideration will not really be solving anything in the long run. There must be jobs and there must be a reform of the higher education system that prioritizes education, as well as curtails shady practices of for profit universities like ITT Tech, Kaplan, and yes, even Trump University.

[Ripster42]

Once again that's the wrong way to go about it. The better option is to open up forgiveness plans that the public sector receive. Public sector employees get massive college bills that are forgivable under the old 80s and 90s pretense that they are paid less than the private sector.

To be fair, the CEO of a company is probably (okay, definitely) making more money than the president or supreme court judges. It's the lower ranks in the hierarchies that have swung the other way after public unions remained strong while corporations have steadily eroded private unions. They are making in roads on public unions now though.

[alexw]

It's like, they don't understand the basic concept that if you give away too much stuff, you eventually have to give away less stuff to pay the interest on the prior stuff. It doesn't take an accounting major to understand yet, here we are.

What utter rot. Education is an investment into the future. The economic benefits from having a well educated population are massive, that in turn means more tax revenues coming in from that better economy. And interest rates on government bonds are at record lows signifying a global excess of capital that is looking for a way to be put to use. Investing into the next generation would be an excellent way to do that. I suggest you go look into learning something about accounting and economics...

[Torgent]

yay higher taxes

Yay lower spending overall.

[Daerio]

He'll at this point I don't even know why we bother collecting taxes.

I mean, people don't seem to care about the growing debt and crippling interest payments on the debt. Let's just forgo collecting taxes and just put it all on uncle Sam's credit card.

The system could operate just as effectively if the government only printed money when they wanted to buy something (which is what they already do now) without the counter-balance of collecting taxes. The result would be more inflation, but DC would hardly notice the difference.

In a fully digital economy, currency only peripherally reflects reality.

[Espe]

What utter rot. Education is an investment into the future. The economic benefits from having a well educated population are massive, that in turn means more tax revenues coming in from that better economy.

You can see from this very thread, the conservatives know it is in their best interests to keep the population as uneducated as possible.

The uneducated are their voting base, after all.

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I'm stocking up on ammo and mres, it's gonna be a bumpy ride.

Super secret agent to doomsday prepper in just a few short years. That's quite a life you've lived


[Infracted]

[alexw]

You can see from this very thread, the conservatives know it is in their best interests to keep the population as uneducated as possible.

The uneducated are their voting base, after all.

I can well believe it after having read the stupidity they come out with in this thread.

[Hammerfest]

If democrats benefited from Low Turnout, they wouldn't be scratching at every corner to try and raise the voter turnout.

The reason why Democrats benefit from low turn-out is because low turn-out elections typically mean a higher percentage of pro-big government voters among those who are voting.

[Theinquisition]

You can see from this very thread, the conservatives know it is in their best interests to keep the population as uneducated as possible.

The uneducated are their voting base, after all.

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Super secret agent to doomsday prepper in just a few short years. That's quite a life you've lived

Hey you're back!!!

I missed ya buddy. Hey in the other thread you accused me of making contradictory statements about my military service.

Have you found those yet?

[Hammerfest]

Reality says you don't know what you are talking about.

Reality proves me right all the time.

[alexw]

He'll at this point I don't even know why we bother collecting taxes.

I mean, people don't seem to care about the growing debt and crippling interest payments on the debt. Let's just forgo collecting taxes and just put it all on uncle Sam's credit card.

What the heck are you talking about? The interest payments on the national debt are in no way shape or form crippling or even close to it. In fact you'd have to back in time to pre-war 1940's to find a time when the payments were a lower burden.

[Espe]

I missed ya buddy.

Listen, you can make believe you are whatever you want to be online I guess, but when you try to pass off info from news articles as some super classified secrets don't be surprised if people call you out on your bs. Sorry if that bothers you but I'd rather not have you drag this thread off topic as well, if possible.

[Bollocks]

He'll at this point I don't even know why we bother collecting taxes.

I mean, people don't seem to care about the growing debt and crippling interest payments on the debt. Let's just forgo collecting taxes and just put it all on uncle Sam's credit card.

Because that debt is just a big number. A country is not a buisness people.

[Spectral]

What utter rot. Education is an investment into the future. The economic benefits from having a well educated population are massive, that in turn means more tax revenues coming in from that better economy. And interest rates on government bonds are at record lows signifying a global excess of capital that is looking for a way to be put to use. Investing into the next generation would be an excellent way to do that. I suggest you go look into learning something about accounting and economics...

There's a lot of university spending that can't plausibly be considered education spending at this point. Until we find a way to tone back the seven-figure coach salaries, six-figure diversity coordinator positions, and cut back on the growth industry of administration, I'm probably not going to be enthusiastic about throwing more money at universities. Want to provide directed funds for research programs or other direct education spending? Cool, let's do it. Want to toss more money at what amounts to a slush fund? I'll pass.