Why These Bernie Sanders Supporters Are Now Backing Donald Trump

[nonameelf]

Hillary is a liar that's why.
Look at Trump. He doesn't give any fooks. That's how we know we can trust him.

Fraud is lying though...

[Deleted]

Globalisation benefits more people than it does automation. In fact globalisation and free trade are good for everyone. Before you answer I want to know why it's bad?

It has deprived millions of people of their livelihood.

[Gamdwelf]

It has deprived millions of people of their livelihood.

Get a better livelihood?

Shit I can't make people make better decisions all I can do is advocate for better education so they can do that.

[nonameelf]

It has deprived millions of people of their livelihood.

And we believe Trump is going to change something that benefits him because?

Also, I thought republicans are all about deregulation of the economy, but now they seem to want to put regulations on trade with other nations.

[s_bushido]

Hillary is a liar that's why.
Look at Trump. He doesn't give any fooks. That's how we know we can trust him.

Ah, so there were thousands and thousands of Muslims celebrating in the streets of New Jersey on 9/11 after all! Thanks for clearing that up.

[Deleted]

And we believe Trump is going to change something that benefits him because?

Also, I thought republicans are all about deregulation of the economy, but now they seem to want to put regulations on trade with other nations.

Republicans are, Trump's not.

And there's a difference between deregulating things when it makes sense and allowing international corporations to screw over a country by accessing the American market, selling their wares for high prices while paying more taxes to China than the US and of course having all the jobs overseas.

It's a double dipping scam and the worst part is that both parties support it. It has ruined entire cities (Detroit, Chicago) and it's only getting worse.

[Gamdwelf]

And we believe Trump is going to change something that benefits him because?

Also, I thought republicans are all about deregulation of the economy, but now they seem to want to put regulations on trade with other nations.

To be fair, most "free trade" agreements are highly regulated.

[Betelgeuse]

Which is why he's now fundraising just like every other politician ever. Right?

Weeeeell, "they" say it takes $1 billion to run a general election campaign these days. He didn't get to be a billionaire by giving billions away. Most of the money spend for his campaign so far was his own. More than I can say for the Clintons.

[nonameelf]

Republicans are, Trump's not.

And there's a difference between deregulating things when it makes sense and allowing international corporations to screw over a country by accessing the American market, selling their wares for high prices while paying more taxes to China than the US and of course having all the jobs overseas.

It's a double dipping scam and the worst part is that both parties support it.

And it benefits people like Trump, so why do you assume he doesn't support it? It'd go against the best interests of his company.

[Moralgy]

Anyone that turns to Trump because Bernie lost the primary had to only support him because it was cool and not because of what he stands for, because Trump is bizzaro Sanders in nearly every way possible.

[Deleted]

And it benefits people like Trump, so why do you assume he doesn't support it? It'd go against the best interests of his company.

If that were his intention, why not just sit back and let Hillary sell our souls ?

I mean assuming that a politican literally betrays everything he stands for is a scary possibility, I suppose, but when the alternative is Hillary Clinton where you know for sure she will totally sell us all out, you vote for the guy who opposes her.

[unbound]

I guess they'd rather see someone with opposing political views in office than a criminal and a corporate puppet.

Can't blame them.

If that was the case, they'd vote for one of the 3rd party candidates.

Trump avoided a criminal case he was going to lose by refunding 90% of deposits in November 2011 because of his lies regarding a 46 story luxury condominium-hotel in Lower Manhattan. This avoided a lawsuit showing that the Trump SoHo was developed with the involvement of convicted felons and financing from questionable sources in Russia and Kazakhstan. By giving the buyers back most of their money, they stopped cooperating with the DA.

Try reading about the history and various lawsuits around Trump University. Ask why Trump paid off Pam Bondi and magically that fraud investigation mysteriously stopped in Florida.

Try digging into the Beauty Pageant Scandals. Or the tenant intimidation issues in the 80s in New York. Or the bankruptcies involving things including claiming he wouldn't use junk bonds only to use junk bonds anyways. Or all the fines he's racked up for breaking casino rules in New York and New Jersey. Or his antitrust violations in 1986. Or his refusal to pay workers and contractors for work done. And the list goes on and on and on and on...

And do you really think Trump isn't going to be a corporate puppet? He has donors as well...just because he hasn't received as much money doesn't mean they don't have influence. They gave to him just the same and will be expecting favors. He has donations from all kinds of industries himself.

Yes, Hillary is no angel. But the only way Trump is better than Hillary in that regards is that he has far more scandals and they are all well documented. The only way to not know about them is by being willfully ignorant.

[Deleted]

If that was the case, they'd vote for one of the 3rd party candidates.

Trump avoided a criminal case he was going to lose by refunding 90% of deposits in November 2011 because of his lies regarding a 46 story luxury condominium-hotel in Lower Manhattan. This avoided a lawsuit showing that the Trump SoHo was developed with the involvement of convicted felons and financing from questionable sources in Russia and Kazakhstan. By giving the buyers back most of their money, they stopped cooperating with the DA.

Try reading about the history and various lawsuits around Trump University. Ask why Trump paid off Pam Bondi and magically that fraud investigation mysteriously stopped in Florida.

Try digging into the Beauty Pageant Scandals. Or the tenant intimidation issues in the 80s in New York. Or the bankruptcies involving things including claiming he wouldn't use junk bonds only to use junk bonds anyways. Or all the fines he's racked up for breaking casino rules in New York and New Jersey. Or his antitrust violations in 1986. Or his refusal to pay workers and contractors for work done. And the list goes on and on and on and on...

And do you really think Trump isn't going to be a corporate puppet? He has donors as well...just because he hasn't received as much money doesn't mean they don't have influence. They gave to him just the same and will be expecting favors. He has donations from all kinds of industries himself.

Yes, Hillary is no angel. But the only way Trump is better than Hillary in that regards is that he has far more scandals and they are all well documented. The only way to not know about them is by being willfully ignorant.

Be that as it may, a vote for Trump is a vote against another Clinton.

[nonameelf]

If that were his intention, why not just sit back and let Hillary sell our souls ?

I mean assuming that a politican literally betrays everything he stands for is a scary possibility, I suppose, but when the alternative is Hillary Clinton where you know for sure she will totally sell us all out, you vote for the guy who opposes her.

Why assume the guy that committed fraud is telling the truth?

[Bollocks]

It has deprived millions of people of their livelihood.

How so? If its because it has cost jobs, thats only 2 million jobs that would be added if the US were to loose all trade deficit it has right now. Right now the USA has 140 million thats a slight jump from 10 percent to around 11.5 percent
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/201...d-jobs-a-note/

Also the benefits of Trade are not felt in terms of job creation, though it tends to create more jobs that loose them, but in the prices of products you pay. Which arguably help the poor more than the rich, because they see an increase on purchasing more. There was an study published by the NBE about that concluded in the same thing.
http://www.nber.org/papers/w20331.pdf

Here is the summary if you don't want to read it :

the authors estimate that U.S. consumers at the 10th percentile of the income distribution would lose more than half of their purchasing power if the United States shut out all international trade, owing to higher prices. Median-income consumers would still lose more than a quarter of their purchasing power, as compared to only a 3 percent gain in purchasing power for Americans at the 90th percentile of the income distribution. Although these estimates are based on an extreme counterfactual, the numbers remind us of the potential for new trade agreements to reduce prices in the United States and raise consumers’ purchasing power, particularly for middle-class consumers.

The reason why the poor benefit so much more is that they tend to buy imported goods more often as well as have a higher percentage of their incomes go to consumption than upper class people.

In addition companies import products from foreign countries which are cheaper to produce there and can use them to produce their own things in the USA at a cheaper price turning them more competitive

Mandatory poll in which economists show a universal agreement that free trade is good, as well as Nafta:
http://www.igmchicago.org/igm-econom...dfr9yjnDcLh17m

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Republicans are, Trump's not.

And there's a difference between deregulating things when it makes sense and allowing international corporations to screw over a country by accessing the American market, selling their wares for high prices while paying more taxes to China than the US and of course having all the jobs overseas.

It's a double dipping scam and the worst part is that both parties support it. It has ruined entire cities (Detroit, Chicago) and it's only getting worse.

Trump is for deregulation of companies.

[Speaknoevil]

These people are just idiots who have been swept up in sensationalism that suits what they wanted already: not to have a woman emasculate them further by holding such a powerful position.

[Gestopft]

It has deprived millions of people of their livelihood.

New jobs come around. Unemployment is low right now, and the labor force participation rate is actually higher than any time during the 50's, 60's and most of the 70's.

The problem isn't that people lost their jobs. The problem is that many of the jobs lost were low-skill jobs that still let you provide for a family, and that new entry-level jobs don't provide that level of financial security anymore. Blame the shrinking power of private labor unions, blame wages not keeping up with the cost of living, blame anybody who says that entry-level jobs aren't supposed to provide a livable wage- but don't blame trade because the new jobs are worse than the old jobs.

[Dextroden]

Ladies and gentlemen. The kind of idiots that made Ron Paul a living meme. (Well, more of one.)

[HillaryJtrump]

Anyone that turns to Trump because Bernie lost the primary had to only support him because it was cool and not because of what he stands for, because Trump is bizzaro Sanders in nearly every way possible.

its not turning to trump its simply Turning away from Hillary.

[Elegiac]

its not turning to trump its simply Turning away from Hillary.

The two are indistinguishable.