2 Cops shot in Dallas at protest

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Switzerland has pretty significant gun ownership levels with around 30% of households having a firearm of some kind and barely any murders, less than any of those European countries that basically don't have privately owned firearms.

So like... maybe this is not a simple function of gun ownership and will actually require some degree of intelligence and ability to handle complexity to grapple with meaningfully. If you can't manage that (and so far it would seem that's the case), then you really should just avoid the discussion entirely.

it is actually. I am sure more than "30%" of Americans have a gun. Not even sure where you got that nice round %.

EDIT: someone disagrees with your logic and tell them to stay out of the topic . L O fucking L

[Wolfheart9]

You mean like how the US tried that with alcohol? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohib..._United_States turns out it doesn't work so well. So what makes anyone think it'll work for guns? Really, I'm curious.

There's a difference between a strict ban, and simply having better regulations, even to the point of putting the same responsibilities on a firearm as we have on vehicles.

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Paris says hi.

Banning shit doesn't stop terrorists or sick fucks from getting their hands on them. People who want to go shoot a place up WILL get their hands on the weapon they need to do it, whether it's illegal or not. The only thing gun control will do is take guns away from people who obey the law.

It's like saying, "you know, drugs are really a problem. we should make them illegal. that will ensure they're done away with! that will keep them away from the general population!"

How long ago was the events in Paris? How many mass shootings have happened in America since then? How many in Europe?

[Thanatoss]

the ' little world ' outside of america doesnt have these extremes in (racial) violence and that everyone and their dog having guns is exarcerbating your problems.

I'd like to motion you to a number of african countries and basically the entire middle east

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I'd like to motion you to a number of african countries and basically the entire middle east

Yeah, those are the countries with compareable rates of gun racial violence.. are those really the countries you want to measure yourselves with?

[Macaquerie]

Well people are always talking about armed insurrection against government tyranny, all those freedom loving Constitutionalists out there should be jumping for joy at this.

[muto]

CNN really pushing the "nothing to do with cops killing civilians, nothing to do with protest" angle.

You sound surprised.

[Deleted]

...and that everyone and their dog having guns is exacerbating your problems.

12,942 people were killed in the United States in 2015 in a gun homicide, unintentional shooting, or murder/suicide. There are 319 million people in America. That equates to 0.0041% of the population killed by a gun

32,675 people were killed in the US in 2014 in automobile deaths. There are 319 million people in America. That equates to 0.0103% of the population killed by a car

You assertion that "everyone and their dog having guns is exacerbating your problems" is disgustingly ludicrous and incredibly ignorant.

[jimboa24]

How long ago was the events in Paris? How many mass shootings have happened in America since then? How many in Europe?

None in Switzerland, and they have a gun ownership rate that is actually about the same as the U.S. (around 30%). So clearly, gun ownership and guns themselves are not the cause of violence. Yet again, you're one of the millions who think like a child, that simply taking the guns away will solve the problem. Only naive fools seriously believe that.

[chrykoolaid]

You said it was good that it happened, a terrorist attack. You said that a terrorist attack was good.

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mate i only said karma hit the cops back for being abusive cunts a lot of times and don't have the spine to take responsibility for it and its sad for their families. besides you yanks support domestic terrorists like the abortion clinic shooter and the charlston shooter on the daily basis well the conservative right condones their crimes

[jimboa24]

it is actually. I am sure more than "30%" of Americans have a gun. Not even sure where you got that nice round %.

Ok, if you don't like nice, round numbers, it's about 32% as of last year.

[Fargus]

12,942 people were killed in the United States in 2015 in a gun homicide, unintentional shooting, or murder/suicide. There are 319 million people in America. That equates to 0.0041% of the population killed by a gun

32,675 people were killed in the US in 2014 in automobile deaths. There are 319 million people in America. That equates to 0.0103% of the population killed by a car

You assertion that "everyone and their dog having guns is exacerbating your problems" is disgustingly ludicrous and incredibly ignorant.

The difference here is that people don't use cars to mass kill people. You also don't seem to know the difference between an accident and murder.

[Deleted]

No, it's literally not. Switzerland is the most armed country in Europe per capita and is absolutely kicking the shit out of almost every other European country in terms of keeping their murder rate down. It absolutely cannot be a simple function of gun ownership rate with both of those two things being true.

For the percentage of households with firearms:
http://english.wodc.nl/images/ob257_...m45-103353.pdf
Table 18 Ownership of firearms and handguns in countries and main cities (percentages). 1989-2005 ICVS and 2005 EU ICS*

For the murder rate:
https://data.unodc.org/
Click criminal justice and select homicide.

So now, if that is the extent of your argument, please excuse yourself as you clearly haven't the first idea what you're talking about and are engaging in a vacuous "guns baaaaaaaaad" argument.

Again it is. If anything, you are proving what I always thought. America is a country too immature to have firearms.

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Ok, if you don't like nice, round numbers, it's about 32% as of last year.

You missed the point. More Americans have guns on a % base. Look it up.

[jimboa24]

The difference here is that people don't use cars to mass kill people.

Of course not. They use airplanes. Cars are more useful for hiding bombs in.

[Grummgug]

You mean like how the US tried that with alcohol? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohib..._United_States turns out it doesn't work so well. So what makes anyone think it'll work for guns? Really, I'm curious.

You cannot ban guns going forward in this world.

If you ban guns now, people will just print their own guns using a 3d printer. The only difference is that all of those 3d printed guns will be UNREGISTERED. Gun crime will stay the same and even escalate, and it will be HARDER to prosecute gun crime because with all of the guns unregistered you will no longer have a paper trail.

Banning guns will actually make the problem WORSE. It is best to keep guns legal and get them registered.

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The difference here is that people don't use cars to mass kill people. You also don't seem to know the difference between an accident and murder.

Your post is meaningless and ignorant. Are you asserting that every single auto death is an "accident"?

2015 - Las Vegas Strip sidewalk: Driver hits dozens of pedestrians in 'intentional' act

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/21/us/las...destrians-hit/

4 days ago - Cops Believe Fatal Hit-And-Run Driver Intentionally Struck Cyclist In Williamsburg

http://gothamist.com/2016/07/04/cops...tionally_f.php

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12,942 people were killed in the United States in 2015 in a gun homicide, unintentional shooting, or murder/suicide. There are 319 million people in America. That equates to 0.0041% of the population killed by a gun

32,675 people were killed in the US in 2014 in automobile deaths. There are 319 million people in America. That equates to 0.0103% of the population killed by a car

You assertion that "everyone and their dog having guns is exacerbating your problems" is disgustingly ludicrous and incredibly ignorant.

'disgustingly ludicrous and incredibly ignorant' like comparing transportation/getting around (an essential part of life) with carrying guns? Do I really have to explain the purpose of a vehicle and a weapon? You see, cars are designed to get you from A to B.. for example you need them daily to get groceries or do your work. Guns are designed solely to kill things, for example you need to use them daily to.. ehh.. umm...

Now if you're done comparing apples to tanks here are some statistics that might () sway you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ted_death_rate

note how pinnacle of order and stability countries like south africa and the philipines are beating america. (and while you're at it look at both the relative and absolute number of suicides). To not be swayed by total population these numbers are per 100.000 of the population (thats how these antropologists doing these studies tend to roll)

[jimboa24]

Again it is. If anything, you are proving what I always thought. America is a country too immature to have firearms.

Another Eurotrash snob that thinks he's qualified to judge an entire nation's "maturity"? color me shocked! Oh, and feel free to kiss my country's collective star-spangled ass. Your opinion is worth about as much as the lives of the snipers who killed the cops tonight.

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You missed the point. More Americans have guns on a % base. Look it up.

Actually, you're the one who's wrong. While America does have more guns per capita than anyone else, only 32% of the population actually owns guns. Meaning, gun owners for the most part don't just own one gun - they own many, many guns. But only 32% of Americans actually own firearms.

Switzerland has a higher gun ownership percentage; it's estimated to be between 30 and 50%. YOU look it up.

[Deleted]

OK, well if you're just going to repeat yourself without actually making an argument or providing evidence, I'm not going to waste time on you. The statistics I gave you prove your claim is literally impossible, so there's no real reason to indulge you further.

No you didn't. You have been repeating yourself for over 60 pages. "Guns are not baaaaaad".

[XDurionX]

That day when people realize that being armed doesn't save you from being shot.