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  1. #1761
    Quote Originally Posted by Caolela View Post
    Yeah, "confounding variables". Otherwise known as grasping for endless excuses to try to dismiss the facts.

    Everyone with an IQ greater than a turnip, and their dogs, knows that cops rarely get held to account for their crimes even for blatant criminality caught on video. That's why the police are becoming more and more murderous every day in the U.S. - they have little fear of appropriate consequences.
    I wouldn't say murderous. As I put on the last page, I really think it comes down to training. Police departments are practically always recruiting and they want police on the streets as soon as possible. And the training they receive to get them there, as someone who's been through it, I really don't see it as sufficient. It's a ton of paranoid fearmongering and minimal firearm training. It just leads to really paranoid trigger happy officers that can barely handle their weapon well enough for what's expected of them.
    Quote Originally Posted by Connal View Post
    From my perspective it is an uncle who was is a "simple" slat of the earth person, who has religous beliefs I may or may not fully agree with, but who in the end of the day wants to go hope, kiss his wife, and kids, and enjoy their company.
    Connal defending child molestation

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merkava View Post
    I'm not lying about anything. You don't know how to read your own links. And you get mad and resort to insults because of it. The article you linked makes no mention of justified killings. They're lumping them all together.
    All of the killings that were investigated are lumped together. Duh. Thus a "justified killing" would be part of the non-convicted rate, would it not?

    Keep trying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullettime View Post
    I wouldn't say murderous. As I put on the last page, I really think it comes down to training. Police departments are practically always recruiting and they want police on the streets as soon as possible. And the training they receive to get them there, as someone who's been through it, I really don't see it as sufficient. It's a ton of paranoid fearmongering and minimal firearm training. It just leads to really paranoid trigger happy officers that can barely handle their weapon well enough for what's expected of them.

    I would say murderous, because that is the end result of their militarized and/or insufficient training.

  3. #1763
    Quote Originally Posted by CptEgo View Post
    You are focusing on the only thing in that post that is completely irrelevant. My point is that shootings happens every week, so guns must be pretty easy to get hold of, no?
    Your ignorance renders your entire stance moot in my eyes.
    READ and be less Ignorant.

  4. #1764
    Quote Originally Posted by zenkai View Post
    If your poor, best thing to do is start an expensive habit that will end up killing you, get you throw in jail and stop you from getting a job. With such great decision making skills, one has to wonder how they bot poor in the first place.

    Glad when my family was poor they did none of the above.

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    I seriously have no idea who to talk to, to get an illegal gun, but I don't run around in criminal circles so that could the the factor.
    *rolleyes* I'm not surprised that you completely ignored what I wrote to write your own reply given your posting history. To help you I've reposted and bolded the most important bit -

    Err you do realize poverty and a sense of hopelessness strongly predisposes people to use drugs?

    The idea that you are pushing that if only they showed personal responsibility things would be magically better is just plain garbage. Or do you think that the poor white communities now wracked by drug use had great decision making skills pre-globalization, and then all of a sudden just lost them somehow? You have completely ignored all the psychological drives that poverty and hopelessness engenders. But as I said coming from you I'm not surprised by that in the least.
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  5. #1765
    Quote Originally Posted by Caolela View Post
    So you have 68% of the general population being convicted, with 48% being incarcerated; while for cops the percentage is 33% convicted but a mere 12% incarcerated.
    These statistics are completely meaningless without additional information. If police are 50% more likely to be falsely accused (not saying they are, just a hypothetical) then the rate at which they are convicted is not comparable to the general population.
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    I am ACTUALLY ASKING for them to ban me and relieve me from the misery of this thread.

  6. #1766
    Quote Originally Posted by Caolela View Post
    All of the killings that were investigated are lumped together. Duh. Thus a "justified killing" would be part of the non-convicted rate, would it not?

    Keep trying.

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    I would say murderous, because that is the end result of their militarized and/or insufficient training.
    No. Murderous implies outright intent. My concern is that the shit training they're given and the shit drilled into their head by the higher ups regularly results in them being put massively on edge. Then start combining this with minimal and insufficient firearms experience and often poor work schedules giving a complete lack of rest, you end up with a lot of young officers (like most of the ones involved in the shooting cases) mishandling their situations.

    This isn't to defend how punishments and investigations are handled, that's a separate concern. But at some point the police need to realize that drilling into someone's head constantly, and especially during their training when they're the most impressionable, that literally everyone, even every little old lady in the neighborhood, is packing and want to kill you, isn't what you want going through an officer's head every second.
    Quote Originally Posted by Connal View Post
    From my perspective it is an uncle who was is a "simple" slat of the earth person, who has religous beliefs I may or may not fully agree with, but who in the end of the day wants to go hope, kiss his wife, and kids, and enjoy their company.
    Connal defending child molestation

  7. #1767
    So I'm assuming this thread has come full circle by now where its the cops fault they got murdered.

    I could be wrong, but I'm not reading all this garbage.

  8. #1768
    Quote Originally Posted by Nixx View Post
    I was the last of my friends to own a game console, for instance. All of my friends had a Super Nintendo and/or Sega Genesis, but by my first console was the N64 and even after it was bought, we were required to do a ton of additional chores to have any access to it at all and then a smaller amount of chores to maintain some limited privilege to play it. Even then, my parents basically wanted us outside all day regardless of what time of year it was.
    Well I know that pain, first console I had was an N64 too. Only reason I got to play it was because my dad bought it but it was stuck at his house, my mom was very anti-game. Hanging out with that annoying neighbor kid because there was nothing else to do was always unfortunate.
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    Never claimed I was a genuis.
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    I don't give a fuck if cops act shitty towards people, never have.

  9. #1769
    Quote Originally Posted by TITAN308 View Post
    So I'm assuming this thread has come full circle by now where its the cops fault they got murdered.

    I could be wrong, but I'm not reading all this garbage.
    Well they were there, thats obviously their fault. And they were good guys with guns, so the whole thing should not have happened.....am I doing it right?



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    Quote Originally Posted by IIamaKing View Post
    Your ignorance renders your entire stance moot in my eyes.
    I'm just repeating what most other countries and governments on earth has said many, many times. Is the entire world ignorant? You've only existed as a country for about 250 years, maybe you should try listening instead of being arrogant.

  11. #1771
    Quote Originally Posted by Bullettime View Post
    No. Murderous implies outright intent. My concern is that the shit training they're given and the shit drilled into their head by the higher ups regularly results in them being put massively on edge. Coupled with minimal and insufficient firearms experience, you end up with a lot of young officers (like most of the ones involved in the shooting cases) mishandling their situations.

    This isn't to defend how punishments and investigations are handled, that's a separate concern. But at some point the police need to realize that drilling into someone's head constantly, and especially during their training when they're the most impressionable, that literally everyone, even every little old lady in the neighborhood, is packing and want to kill you, isn't what you want going through an officer's head every second.
    Normally I would agree with this, but in the case of the two officers in Baton Rouge, the officers were on the force 5 years. I think most are on edge because of what they encounter everyday.

    I think the law enforcement unions need to educate the public on traffic stops. This would have prevented the accident in Minn. If the driver had his License, Insurance, Registration and Carry permit available prior to the cop approaching the window it would have been a simple warning and he would have been on his way.

  12. #1772
    Quote Originally Posted by Narwal View Post
    So if non-gun owners want to take away guns from gun owners, they should put their money where their mouth is. Form an organization and fund it with more money than the NRA gets. If it's so easy to control legislation with lobbyists, then get a lobbyist. If you're not willing to spend money on it, then it must not be that important to you.
    I didn't say anything about lobbyists, but just posted a simple truism on the direction of travel on gun laws this nation will take.
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    I don't think I ever hide the fact I was a national socialist. The fact I am a German one is what technically makes me a nazi
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    You haven't seen nothing yet, we trumpsters will definitely be getting some cool uniforms soon I hope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullettime View Post
    No. Murderous implies outright intent. My concern is that the shit training they're given and the shit drilled into their head by the higher ups regularly results in them being put massively on edge. Then start combining this with minimal and insufficient firearms experience and often poor work schedules giving a complete lack of rest, you end up with a lot of young officers (like most of the ones involved in the shooting cases) mishandling their situations.

    This isn't to defend how punishments and investigations are handled, that's a separate concern. But at some point the police need to realize that drilling into someone's head constantly, and especially during their training when they're the most impressionable, that literally everyone, even every little old lady in the neighborhood, is packing and want to kill you, isn't what you want going through an officer's head every second.

    And I would argue that that is exactly the intent their training is trying to encourage - to murder without fear of consequence in order to strike fear of the state apparatus into the population. If that was not the intent, why then does this type of training and increasing militarization continue to be used? The people making the decisions certainly are aware of the outcomes of their policies, since we've had years of results to examine.

    In fact, instead of improving their training regimens, many depts. have only doubled down on their aggressive policies with further militarization of civilian forces.

  14. #1774
    Quote Originally Posted by CptEgo View Post
    I'm just repeating what most other countries and governments on earth has said many, many times. Is the entire world ignorant? You've only existed as a country for about 250 years, maybe you should try listening instead of being arrogant.
    take a dose of your own medicine and realize different countries have differnt issues and that those that have much stricter gun regulations also share a few other traits like fewer land borders or better neighbors if they share land borders.

  15. #1775
    Quote Originally Posted by Caolela View Post
    If that was not the intent, why then does this type of training and increasing militarization continue to be used?
    Militarization of police is one thing, but if you're a cop and you're trying to keep the peace you can't give off the impression that you're a weakling who is scared of confrontation...
    Quote Originally Posted by True Anarch View Post
    Never claimed I was a genuis.
    Quote Originally Posted by Furitrix View Post
    I don't give a fuck if cops act shitty towards people, never have.

  16. #1776
    Quote Originally Posted by Caolela View Post
    All of the killings that were investigated are lumped together. Duh. Thus a "justified killing" would be part of the non-convicted rate, would it not? .
    You don't even understand your own argument. You're complaining about the non convicted rate, are you not? You've already cited numbers that include justified and non justified in the same count. When asked how many of them were justified, you said that you had no idea.

    You're not approaching this with even a modicum of clear thinking and rationality. You're like the guy who decides to move because he hears that 90% of accidents happen within 5 miles of home. You're like the guy who thinks he's safer swimming a mile off shore because he hears that 90% of shark attacks occur within 100 feet of the beach. You're like the guy who think's he's safer if he doesn't go to the hospital because he hears that 90% of people die at the hospital.

    Listen, I want you to answer a simple question; (I don't believe you will, because perhaps, already, you see how the issue is framed against you)

    Who, in their daily life, has a greater chance to come across dangerous criminals; Police officers or the general public?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinykong View Post
    These statistics are completely meaningless without additional information. If police are 50% more likely to be falsely accused (not saying they are, just a hypothetical) then the rate at which they are convicted is not comparable to the general population.
    And you just pulled a hypothetical from the twisting nether that has no bearing on the stats from the article. Pretty easy to see that cops simply don't get tried or convicted at anywhere near the general rate. Anyone can try to spin that like a top but the evidence is there, which 95% of the public already knows anecdotally.

  18. #1778
    The USA, for a country that is leading the world in so many fields is also an example of or savagery resembling the middle ages.
    Is this a civilised country?

    the worse divide between the rich and the poor in the western world.
    the worse access to health care in the western world.
    despicable racism.
    the worse access to education in the western world.
    the worse number of people living in poverty in the western world
    the worse number of death in the western world outside of war.

    yeah, hold on to your guns, they are not the problem (sarcasm for those that cant read it).

    RIP all those that died, the over 500 blacks killed by the police this year, the 2 guys that got executed this week and the poor police that lost their lives.

    What a sad state of affair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merkava View Post
    You don't even understand your own argument. You're complaining about the non convicted rate, are you not? You've already cited numbers that include justified and non justified in the same count. When asked how many of them were justified, you said that you had no idea.

    You're not approaching this with even a modicum of clear thinking and rationality. You're like the guy who decides to move because he hears that 90% of accidents happen within 5 miles of home. You're like the guy who thinks he's safer swimming a mile off shore because he hears that 90% of shark attacks occur within 100 feet of the beach. You're like the guy who think's he's safer if he doesn't go to the hospital because he hears that 90% of people die at the hospital.

    Listen, I want you to answer a simple question; (I don't believe you will, because perhaps, already, you see how the issue is framed against you)

    Who, in their daily life, has a greater chance to come across dangerous criminals; Police officers or the general public?
    "Dangerous criminals" still requires upholding the law and regulations that law enforcement is supposed to be bound by. Even dangerous criminals are assumed to be innocent until proven guilty under the Constitution, not arbitrarily gunned down in the street because some roided-up cop knows he will likely get away with it.

    Keep trying to lie this one into something "justified" by the cops. It isn't. The proof is there whether you like to accept it or not.

  20. #1780
    Quote Originally Posted by psyquest View Post
    yeah, hold on to your guns, they are not the problem (sarcasm for those that cant read it).

    yes, yes, yes... removing all of our guns would solve all the problems. ya that's the answer!!

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