GTX 1080 dropping down to 30fps in WoW at 1080p. What gives?

[Olrox]

My i5 6600K at 4,1Ghz never drops below 90FPS, regardless what I'm doing.
I play on the Nvidia Geforce Experience optimised settings at 2560 x 1440 down sampled to 1920x1080, max shadows, anti-aliasing is customised above max.

OP: You might want to check your add ons, you'll probably find you have two frames stacked on top of each other which are z-index thrashing during raid combat.

Hiya,

Can I ask - why would you downscale it?

Just legitimately curious here, not sure why that's even an option, I know next to nothing about it and I kinda figure most folks are similarly-situated.

I just moved up to 1440p myself and I'm just curious?

[Granyala]

A 1080 for WoW?!

Isn't that like ... using a nuclear warhead to kill ants?
Even my aging 7870 mostly twiddles it's virtual thumbs at ultra.

[Deleted]

I don't know if you got your answer yet but I have uhh almost identical setup (I have the same cpu not overclocked) except a amd gpu which was bought 1-2 years ago and I don't have these issues so your cpu isn't the bottleneck here (I know it is but not with optimized settings) and I highly doubt it's the 1080.

Mostly fiddle with your settings, a lot of settings you'll find have high impact performance low impact eyecandy so worth investing time into that.

[Kagthul]

My i5 6600K at 4,1Ghz never drops below 90FPS, regardless what I'm doing.

Post up them vids.

You will be world e-famous. Seriously.

[windfish]

Just from looking over your build and since you were streaming it is most likely your processor, 3770k is a bit old, and will definitely be your bottle-neck if you're going to stream as well. How well does it run when you aren't streaming? but it's definitely not the 1080, For Wow you could probably run it on a 970 and it would run the same as you run it on a 1080 purely because it (and pretty much every mmo) are CPU intensive over GPU intensive.

[Kagthul]

Just from looking over your build and since you were streaming it is most likely your processor, 3770k is a bit old, and will definitely be your bottle-neck if you're going to stream as well. How well does it run when you aren't streaming? but it's definitely not the 1080, For Wow you could probably run it on a 970 and it would run the same as you run it on a 1080 purely because it (and pretty much every mmo) are CPU intensive over GPU intensive.

The 3770K might be 10% slower than a 6700K, clock-for-clock. It's not the issue.

If you're streaming, enable QuickSync, that might help, but as this guy said.. what is it like when you're NOT streaming?

[windfish]

The 3770K might be 10% slower than a 6700K, clock-for-clock. It's not the issue.

If you're streaming, enable QuickSync, that might help, but as this guy said.. what is it like when you're NOT streaming?

you can't just compare clock speeds CPU to CPU and says that's how one runs better than the other... http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i...-Core-i7-3770K the 6700k is significantly stronger than a 3770k.

[Fascinate]

This is the problem with the entire PC hardware industry, people expect they can throw money at stuff and it goes faster.....well as we see here that isnt the case. The VAST majority of games simply do not scale well or are just simply not optimized. I constantly try and talk people out of hardware upgrades on here but it rarely works, people think money will solve the problem when its the coding of the games holding them back and a 700 dollar GPU will run the same as a 200 dollar one.

WoW isnt going to run well until we see full dx12 implementation and draw call performance gets sorted out. Until then please people stop spending money to upgrade your PC to run a 12 year old game, if you have anything back to a gtx 660 you shouldnt be upgrading for world of warcraft.

[khazmodan]

A 1080 for WoW?!

Isn't that like ... using a nuclear warhead to kill ants?
Even my aging 7870 mostly twiddles it's virtual thumbs at ultra.

it also depends on the resolution a lot, i was using a gtx 690, i7-3930k on a 2560 x 1600 monitor and the video cards fan would blow like crazy trying to keep it cool and i couldnt run on ultra without the card sounding like it was going to melt down. Kind of pissed me off to spend that much on a video card and get less than 2 years ultra settings out of it...

[Deleted]

Reduce the Particle Density, and for the love of God, reduce the render scale to 100%.

[Fascinate]

it also depends on the resolution a lot, i was using a gtx 690, i7-3930k on a 2560 x 1600 monitor and the video cards fan would blow like crazy trying to keep it cool and i couldnt run on ultra without the card sounding like it was going to melt down. Kind of pissed me off to spend that much on a video card and get less than 2 years ultra settings out of it...

That was only because you bought a reference design cooler, its a shame they even sell those things.

[Speaker]

take a look at the fps on the bottom right side during the fight in this video.
https://www.twitch.tv/mushy2000/v/76462036?t=12m04s

Here is the full VoD https://www.twitch.tv/mushy2000/v/76462036 FPS counter is at the bottom. I know it's not much but I can run more tests if anyone is willing to help.

Very disappointed with the performance of my gtx 1080

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-3770 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($139.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($249.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 1080 8GB Founders Edition Video Card ($698.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 600W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($129.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1298.83
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It's too bad you didn't opt for the 3770k. You could have got a 4.2 GHz overclock without breaking a sweat (probably higher if you were willing to tinker a little bit with it) and seen nearly a 25% boost in performance in CPU bound tasks, such as WoW for example. Also, streaming is very CPU intensive. To think you can do both without sacrificing in-game performance is a little naive. You would at least need a 6 or 8 core CPU if you didn't want to see a major hit in performance.

[psyquest]

Dont understand why people say wow is CPU dependant. for the past 5 years with various upgrade of CPU I have yet to see wow going over 35% cpu useage... like ever

[Barnabas]

take a look at the fps on the bottom right side during the fight in this video.
https://www.twitch.tv/mushy2000/v/76462036?t=12m04s

Here is the full VoD https://www.twitch.tv/mushy2000/v/76462036 FPS counter is at the bottom. I know it's not much but I can run more tests if anyone is willing to help.

Very disappointed with the performance of my gtx 1080

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-3770 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($139.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($249.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 1080 8GB Founders Edition Video Card ($698.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 600W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($129.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1298.83
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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It probably won't make you feel any better but my 970 has the exact same frame rate in wow. If you are raiding you gotta scale the settings down a bit if you want 60 fps. it's just what happens when other players are around. If you are in your own instance 200+ all day. If you bought that card and all you play is wow I'd just return it and get something mid tier. 1060 or rx 480 would be sufficient for wow.

[Daywalk3r]

It shouldn't drop to 30fps with this kind of hardware. This CPU should be enough to hold a 60fps+ anyway, and streaming using a software that encodes using NVenc should barely impact performance.

What renderscale and anti-aliasing are you using?

Mannoroth mythic is one of the most cpu intense fights in WoD, FPS drop everytime the imps spawn and get aoed. I drop to ~40-45 usually, had higher drops before i upgraded my 1333 RAM to 2133. Also my CPU is OCed to 4,2Ghz (I5-3570K) which helps a bit.

Grfx settings don't matter if you have a 1080. There is only the CPU limit because WoW is based on the warcraft 3 engine, at the time of developing even dualcores were rare. So basically WoW is still today only using about 1,5 CPU threads. Thus you need maximum IPC, singlethreaded power. Also why AMD CPUs really struggle here.
Don't listen to those people saying they have 90 or more FPS all the time, they will have drops in this specific fight too with basic raiding addons enabled (like skada, bossmods, weakauras etc).
The only thing you can do is to either disable some cpu heavy addons, or OC your CPU (but you don't have a K version). Also like i mentioned earlier, faster RAM helps in CPU limited scenarios.

[D3cadent]

My i5 6600K at 4,1Ghz never drops below 90FPS, regardless what I'm doing.

LOL yeah ok.


OP: WoW is poorly optimised and the GPU has little to no effect on your frames in a raid setting. I upgraded from sli780's to a single 1080 last week and my FPS still tanked below 40fps during Archimonde at 1920 x 1080.

To put this in perspective, this same setup (the gtx1080) runs The Witcher 3 at 2560 x 1440, on MAX settings, without dipping below 70 fps.

[ZenX]

take a look at the fps on the bottom right side during the fight in this video.
https://www.twitch.tv/mushy2000/v/76462036?t=12m04s

Here is the full VoD https://www.twitch.tv/mushy2000/v/76462036 FPS counter is at the bottom. I know it's not much but I can run more tests if anyone is willing to help.

Very disappointed with the performance of my gtx 1080

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-3770 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($139.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($249.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 1080 8GB Founders Edition Video Card ($698.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 600W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($129.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1298.83
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-07-08 09:59 EDT-0400

You could have been better off upgrading your MoBo, CPU and RAM before opting for a 1080 FE (http://pcpartpicker.com/list/zqRn3C - w/ coupled with AIB versions of either an RX 480 or 1070 if your budget allows), capacity aside DDR4 has gotten cheaper and its newer access architecture does offer significant performance increases.

[psyquest]

You could have been better off upgrading your MoBo, CPU and RAM before opting for a 1080 FE (http://pcpartpicker.com/list/zqRn3C), capacity aside DDR4 has gotten cheaper and its newer access architecture does offer significant performance increases.

Why?

I personally have an i7 3600k@3.4Ghkz

Currently on beta with everything maxed out on a 27" 2560x1440 g sync monitor: the CPU does not ever go over 62% in the worse zone of the beta.
This shows that this CPU does not bottleneck at that resolution, doesnt it?

[Buildapanda]

You could have been better off upgrading your MoBo, CPU and RAM before opting for a 1080 FE (http://pcpartpicker.com/list/zqRn3C - w/ coupled with AIB versions of either an RX 480 or 1070 if your budget allows), capacity aside DDR4 has gotten cheaper and its newer access architecture does offer significant performance increases.

I wish I would've known this earlier. I asked on /r/buildapac and was told upgrading from my XFX 7970 was my best upgrade to make.

[Daywalk3r]

Why?

I personally have an i7 3600k@3.4Ghkz

Currently on beta with everything maxed out on a 27" 2560x1440 g sync monitor: the CPU does not ever go over 62% in the worse zone of the beta.
This shows that this CPU does not bottleneck at that resolution, doesnt it?

You don't seem to understand how cpu usage works. Since WoW effectively only uses 1,5 CPU Threads (0,5 for audio) and your I7 has 8, obviously you will never reach 100%. BUT that one thread it is using for the combatlog/engine will be maxed out and you WILL be CPU limited. This can only be improved by either a higher IPC or a higher clock (faster RAM also when cpu limited), because Blizz would need to completely rewrite the engine for a better multithreaded usage, which isn't gonna happen.