Why can't the father choose not to pay the child support if he wants abortion?

[Elegiac]

So we should what? Have men forced into the situations that women face during pregnancy as equality?

How the hell would that work?

We can't, therefore child support is the next best thing.

[Deleted]

You are not prepared for it if you don't want to take responsibility for your actions

And you purposefully missing the parts where I said that every male contraception can fail.

[flyspyro]

Don't fuck women / get the snip if you're that worried

Men have to pay
Women have to squeeze it out and raise it

Men get the better deal

Thank You!

Some men want the best of both worlds. They want to fuck without responsibility for their actions.

Childbirth isn't equal. The day childbirth becomes equal is the day guys shouldn't have to pay child support. This will never happen because biology says so.
Also, I have to wonder.... Why do some men expect other people to pay for their baby? Because many women who birth kids without a father end up on welfare.. So, I say Fuck you to all the dead beat dads out there.

[lonely zergling]

There is financial risk too for women, do you think women don't have to pay?
Do you know what is simple? Don't have sex if you are not prepared for it

Really?
Woman can just dump their kid in one of those and get cleared of everything:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baby_hatch

[Zoldor]

There is male contraception on the way. It may arrive next year in fact:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...l-by-2017.html

Very nice. I'm on board with that.

[Azadina]

I am prepared for sex. Condoms can break, vasectomies can fail.

And yet if any of those things happen, according to the law, the decision of whether I have a financial burden for the remainder of my life is in the hands of someone else completely.

That should not the case.

Fine, you can sign off if you have a vasectomy, and use condom also. What kind of % of population are we talking about, that fits the criteria? 0.0000%?

[Hana Song]

And you purposefully missing the parts where I said that every male contraception can fail.

I don't see what that has to do with anything if you use contraception or not, you are not prepared to have sex if you want to not take responsibility for your actions

[Tempguy]

We can't, therefore child support is the next best thing.

This is starting to sound like punishments vs actual support of a child.

Just sayin.

[Deleted]

It's a very arguable notion that children with both parents are better off than children of single parents; it depends on the situation, the parents and the child. Adoption could be in their best interest, but not systematically.

@GrinningMan We're not discussing abortion here but child support law. Laws concern themselves with what they specifically regulate; in this case, it does prioritise the children over the parents.

Not really, the only time a child is better off with just one parent is when the other parent is a complete twat or simply doesn't want to become a parent.

And abortion is a integral part of this, abortion is what gives woman reproductive rights, right that men sorely lack.

[Tempguy]

So, I say Fuck you to all the dead beat dads out there.

How do you feel about deadbeat moms? And moms who give up their kid to adoption, etc?

Are they cool in your book? If so, why?

[GennGreymane]

I want there to be a way for a Male "financial abortion"

However, In the current set up, it begins and ends with 2 people. In the male abortion scenario, it begins with 2 and ends with 3. A lot of abortion law is based on the lowest denominator scenario, which means we would have to apply this to the male version too, which would be a male leaving and applying for it right as its impossible, impractical, or illegal for the woman to get an abortion. Unless there is a time limit on the man as well.

[Elegiac]

This is starting to sound like punishments vs actual support of a child.

Just sayin.

If you don't like it, there's a simple enough solution.

Public assistance that makes it viable to be a single parent.

[GennGreymane]

How do you feel about deadbeat moms? And moms who give up their kid to adoption, etc?

Are they cool in your book? If so, why?

I thought adoption was the other A word.... some slogan I see floating around.

[Tempguy]

I want there to be a way for a Male "financial abortion"

However, In the current set up, it begins and ends with 2 people. In the male abortion scenario, it begins with 2 and ends with 3. A lot of abortion law is based on the lowest denominator scenario, which means we would have to apply this to the male version too, which would be a male leaving and applying for it right as its impossible, impractical, or illegal for the woman to get an abortion. Unless there is a time limit on the man as well.

I want artificial wombs. If I got a girl preggers, I want that kid. I am willing to pay for the fetus to be moved to an artificial womb and then she can go kick fucking rocks.

[May90]

I am prepared for sex. Condoms can break, vasectomies can fail.

And yet if any of those things happen, according to the law, the decision of whether I have a financial burden for the remainder of my life is in the hands of someone else completely.

That should not the case.

"I am prepared for activity that is intended by nature for reproduction, but I am not prepared to deal with the consequences of reproduction". Doesn't sound reasonable.

Look, if you want to have sex desperately and can't just satisfy your urge on your own, then be willing to raise the child that might appear as a result. If you are not willing to raise it, then pay the support. The decision on whether you have a financial burden for the remainder of your life is in your hands. By making the decision to not raise the child, you say essentially, "Okay, I am willing to pay child support, if you still want a child" - and THEN it is the woman's turn to make a choice. If she chooses to still have the child, then you face the consequences of your choice.

It is not a rocket science, and I don't understand why people make a fuzz out of nothing. This is how nature works: sex => reproduction => raising child. If you want to do the first part, but don't want to do the last - well, then face the consequences of that.

[hrugner]

If a woman can choose (not) to abort without father's consent, why can't father choose not to pay child support if he wants her to do an abortion but she refuses? Either that or he should be able to stop the abortion but take full responsibility for the child once it's born.

Wouldn't that make the playing field equal?

At the moment, it seems the go to response is to beat and/or kill the mother and unborn child and just sit it out in prison, it's probably cheaper in the long run.

As sole alternatives go it does lack a little something.

[Elegiac]

I want artificial wombs. If I got a girl preggers, I want that kid. I am willing to pay for the fetus to be moved to an artificial womb and then she can go kick fucking rocks.

And if she refuses to have the extraction procedure done, then tough shit.

[Deleted]

We can't, therefore child support is the next best thing.

So men should pay a financial burden because they don't have a womb?

[flyspyro]

I am prepared for sex. Condoms can break, vasectomies can fail.

And yet if any of those things happen, according to the law, the decision of whether I have a financial burden for the remainder of my life is in the hands of someone else completely.

That should not the case.

Yes, because women who are raising the kid isn't using her own money to also support it.

[Elegiac]

So men should pay a financial burden because they don't have a womb?

Men should pay their share of the financial burden because there's compelling social interest in children not being raised in poverty, that's really as far as it goes.