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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Berserker View Post
    The point is that There are poor white people and Poor Hispanic people and yet they still commit less crimes than Ghetto Black people. Even Poor black people in non-predominantly black areas commit less crimes.
    That's because the elephant in the room is it's a cultural problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flutterguy View Post
    Furthermore if crime and poverty are directly connected, they should go up and down with each other, but in reality they change separately. Crime for instance has been steadily going down overall despite an increase in poverty.
    Um, good job then?

    Supression seems to work! What could possibly go wrong with police officers hardlining the black community...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Berserker View Post
    The point is that There are poor white people and Poor Hispanic people and yet they still commit less crimes than Ghetto Black people. Even Poor black people in non-predominantly black areas commit less crimes.
    Hmm, I see. And the only conclusion people draw is the crime gene black ghettos seem to infuse their people with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flutterguy View Post
    That's because the elephant in the room is it's a cultural problem.
    Oh, so it is gangster's glory?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    Um, good job then?

    Supression seems to work! What could possibly go wrong with police officers hardlining the black community...
    It's not about suppression. A lot of factors go into economic influences on crime. Merely being in poverty is not attached to the hip to crime committed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    Um, good job then?

    Supression seems to work! What could possibly go wrong with police officers hardlining the black community...

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    Hmm, I see. And the only conclusion people draw is the crime gene black ghettos seem to infuse their people with?

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    Oh, so it is gangster's glory?
    So let me get this straight.

    It's utterly impossible to draw the conclusion that the Culture that has spread up in black Ghettos is the problem. Instead it's..... everything else?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flutterguy View Post
    It's not about suppression. A lot of factors go into economic influences on crime. Merely being in poverty is not attached to the hip to crime committed.
    No one ever argued that crime is exclusive to poverty. Even economic crime isn't.
    But people in poverty are more likely to commit a crime than people not in poverty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flutterguy View Post
    It's not about suppression. A lot of factors go into economic influences on crime. Merely being in poverty is not attached to the hip to crime committed.
    Well no. But it's fertile soil for crime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Berserker View Post
    So let me get this straight.

    It's utterly impossible to draw the conclusion that the Culture that has spread up in black Ghettos is the problem. Instead it's..... everything else?
    I don't know... see, the problem I have with "culture" is that a) most people on forums don't know what they're talking about... like literally, they use "culture" whenever they run out of arguments and b) most people in black ghetto communities will probably tell you that their moms beat them into becoming honest men, and they still turn to crime. It's not like it's in their "culture" when their moms try all they can to keep them out of crime. They know they have a problem, but their families (which, incidentally make up large portions of "culture") can't stop it.

    Why is that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    I don't know... see, the problem I have with "culture" is that a) most people on forums don't know what they're talking about... like literally, they use "culture" whenever they run out of arguments and b) most people in black ghetto communities will probably tell you that their moms beat them into becoming honest men, and they still turn to crime. It's not like it's in their "culture" when their moms try all they can to keep them out of crime. They know they have a problem, but their families (which, incidentally make up large portions of "culture") can't stop it.

    Why is that?
    So what causes it then?

    Can't be racism, because we have black cops and officials.

    Can't be poverty, because poor people elsewhere don't have such high crime statistics.

    So what is it then? Are Ghettos just places filled with voodoo that automatically cause people to commit crimes?

    Or maybe, just maybe, the attitude of ghettos have caused people to create a perpetuating cycle of hatred.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Berserker View Post
    So what causes it then?

    Can't be racism, because we have black cops and officials.

    Can't be poverty, because poor people elsewhere don't have such high crime statistics.

    So what is it then? Are Ghettos just places filled with voodoo that automatically cause people to commit crimes?

    Or maybe, just maybe, the attitude of ghettos have caused people to create a perpetuating cycle of hatred.
    Well, that's the million dollar question then, isn't it? I don't know the answer, but somehow I think "Oh, that just how these ghetto kids are" isn't sufficient to actually solve the problem. You've done that... well, basically since you imported black dudes from Africa. "Oh, they're dumb like that", "Oh, they're violent like that" or "Oh, they're criminal like that, it's in their culture you know..."

    Perhaps it's time to change the tune? Perhaps talk to them like equals instead of talking about animals?

    Btw, when you guys point to the black cop (or the black actor, the black president, the black whatever) and say "See, we're not racist, he's black and he's doing (whatever it is white dudes are also doing)", that's actually being racist.

    Edit: Not even going to seriously answer to the other racism in your post about voodoo and shit... *chuckles* you don't even realise just how bad you are, do you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    Oh, so it is gangster's glory?
    Broken homes(highest in the nation) and self-segregation are the biggest culprits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Berserker View Post
    So what causes it then?

    Can't be racism, because we have black cops and officials.
    And since when can blacks not be racist?
    Be it against their own color or others?

    Ever considered that our brains are programmed in certain ways?
    Slowly but steadily programming all our brains from the consumed influences into "blacks are dangerous".
    Hence why everyone, no matter their color acts instinctively as if they're subjected to danger in 1:1 situations with black people.

    Plus...
    Black people have been enslaved for well over 4000 years already. They've taken quite a beating, ever since.
    As a result of that, over time black people became ever more ready to fight back and lash out.
    Now, it just happens, that in the American society these people are ghettoized, instead of integrated.
    Even Hispanics getting better integrated than Blacks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flutterguy View Post
    Broken homes(highest in the nation) and self-segregation are the biggest culprits.
    Poverty tends to break homes. And segregate people, too. What would you do if you lived on food stamps in the projects? How'd you get out of it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildtree View Post
    And since when can blacks not be racist?
    Be it against their own color or others?

    Ever considered that our brains are programmed in certain ways?
    Slowly but steadily programming all our brains from the consumed influences into "blacks are dangerous".
    Hence why everyone, no matter their color acts instinctively as if they're subjected to danger in 1:1 situations with black people.

    Plus...
    Black people have been enslaved for well over 4000 years already. They've taken quite a beating, ever since.
    As a result of that, over time black people became ever more ready to fight back and lash out.
    Now, it just happens, that in the American society these people are ghettoized, instead of integrated.
    Even Hispanics getting better integrated than Blacks.
    So it's racism, despite Black people able to get jobs white people have fine, even becoming the highest office in the land. If this was systemic racism, how would that ever happen? If Black people were oppressed, how would they ever get privilege?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Berserker View Post
    So it's racism, despite Black people able to get jobs white people have fine, even becoming the highest office in the land. If this was systemic racism, how would that ever happen? If Black people were oppressed, how would they ever get privilege?
    The person holding the highest office is not black.. The President is a mulatto, not a black.
    He is as white as he is black.
    50/50.
    And anecdotes don't make a problem obsolete.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildtree View Post
    The person holding the highest office is not black.. The President is a mulatto, not a black.
    He is as white as he is black.
    50/50.
    And anecdotes don't make a problem obsolete.
    It's not an anecdote when it's clear proof. Black people are not oppressed in America. Period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Berserker View Post
    It's not an anecdote when it's clear proof. Black people are not oppressed in America. Period.
    There is no such proof.
    Just because ONE person becomes a professor doesn't invalidate the oppression, when thousands of other applicants aren't even accepted to universities just by the sound of their name alone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Berserker View Post
    It's not an anecdote when it's clear proof. Black people are not oppressed in America. Period.
    That's not a judgement a white dude can actually make.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slant View Post
    That's not a judgement a white dude can actually make.
    Actually, a white dude can make such a judgment.
    If they are
    1. intelligent enough.
    2. multicultural enough.
    3. educated enough.
    4. informed enough.

    Even one of the right's biggest assholes recognizes it (much to my surprise though)..

    http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-n...htmlstory.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildtree View Post
    And since when can blacks not be racist?
    Be it against their own color or others?

    Ever considered that our brains are programmed in certain ways?
    Slowly but steadily programming all our brains from the consumed influences into "blacks are dangerous".
    Hence why everyone, no matter their color acts instinctively as if they're subjected to danger in 1:1 situations with black people.

    Plus...
    Black people have been enslaved for well over 4000 years already. They've taken quite a beating, ever since.
    As a result of that, over time black people became ever more ready to fight back and lash out.
    Now, it just happens, that in the American society these people are ghettoized, instead of integrated.
    Even Hispanics getting better integrated than Blacks.
    Well, let's get this misinformation about slavery out of the way. It was a trade for a reason. Black tribes sold black prisoners captured in battles with other tribes to Europeans in exchange for goods(weapons, gold, whatever). Furthermore, white people experienced plenty of slavery on their own for thousands of years. In fact slavery was really just a normal economic practice until relatively recently. Hell, it still exists today in certain parts of the world and yes including Africa. So let's stop pretending slavery is somehow unique to the Americas and those of African origin.

    It is a statistical fact that blacks commit the highest amount of crime. Even if you made the assumption that even as high as 10% is purely made up by racist cops, its still overwhelming. There's a bigger problem in the black community than white police officers. Actual statistical threat of a black man being shot by police is not anywhere close to significant. Statistically you might as well be afraid of getting struck by lightning, but the likelihood of a black man being shot by another black man? Much higher and more significant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildtree View Post
    Actually, a white dude can make such a judgment.
    If they are
    1. intelligent enough.
    2. multicultural enough.
    3. educated enough.
    4. informed enough.

    Even one of the right's biggest assholes recognizes it (much to my surprise though)..

    http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-n...htmlstory.html
    Well, yes. You're right. But you'll excuse me when I don't attribute all of those points to the average white American forum poster by default. And certainly not a berserking lord. So for now I'll let it stand. The white dudes that fill your criteria will be able to read between the lines and see what I mean.

    For guys like Lord Berserker, it goes something like this... "I'm oppressed!" - "No, you are not. Shut up." - "Um... but" - "I said shut up!" - "Oh.. okay then."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flutterguy View Post
    Well, let's get this misinformation about slavery out of the way. It was a trade for a reason. Black tribes sold black prisoners captured in battles with other tribes to Europeans in exchange for goods(weapons, gold, whatever). Furthermore, white people experienced plenty of slavery on their own for thousands of years. In fact slavery was really just a normal economic practice until relatively recently. Hell, it still exists today in certain parts of the world and yes including Africa. So let's stop pretending slavery is somehow unique to the Americas and those of African origin.

    It is a statistical fact that blacks commit the highest amount of crime. Even if you made the assumption that even as high as 10% is purely made up by racist cops, its still overwhelming. There's a bigger problem in the black community than white police officers. Actual statistical threat of a black man being shot by police is not anywhere close to significant. Statistically you might as well be afraid of getting struck by lightning, but the likelihood of a black man being shot by another black man? Much higher and more significant.
    And what is that then?

    I'm blatantly ignoring the rather biased explanation of "slavery" and how it's really all okay, because everyone's doing it. I mean, everyone's not the country that proclaims to be #1 in things like freedom and liberties, but just go ahead and answer my question...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flutterguy View Post
    Well, let's get this misinformation about slavery out of the way. It was a trade for a reason. Black tribes sold black prisoners captured in battles with other tribes to Europeans in exchange for goods(weapons, gold, whatever). Furthermore, white people experienced plenty of slavery on their own for thousands of years. In fact slavery was really just a normal economic practice until relatively recently. Hell, it still exists today in certain parts of the world and yes including Africa. So let's stop pretending slavery is somehow unique to the Americas and those of African origin.

    It is a statistical fact that blacks commit the highest amount of crime. Even if you made the assumption that even as high as 10% is purely made up by racist cops, its still overwhelming. There's a bigger problem in the black community than white police officers. Actual statistical threat of a black man being shot by police is not anywhere close to significant. Statistically you might as well be afraid of getting struck by lightning, but the likelihood of a black man being shot by another black man? Much higher and more significant.
    It is not a statistical fact.

    It's however a fact that as a percentage of the population black people do get punished more often.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...rested-for-it/

    Please don't come up with why or buts. I remember people on this form defending the punishment rates because crack or meth is somehow worse then cocaine or heroin and that's why their is difference in punishments.

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