Is Trump TRYING To Lose?

[Ghostpanther]

Not sure Americans care, but he's also probably the most popular and respected president by other nations ever.

Not even close. He is not the worse however. Carter, Harding, Grant, Bush Jr are worse for sure. But the number of Presidents with more respect and better records are several above him. Best not to confuse respect with being easy.

[Shadowferal]

Bush did have a timeline, and when Obama pulled out of Iraq, partisans like you said, yay Obama did it, but when ISIS gain power because of it, then it's back to Obama's fault. He could have negotiated to remain, but again he wasn't worried he said ISIS is the JV team, can't ignore that fact can you?

I believe it was you that posted about all the WMDs that Iraq supposedly had...which made them an "imminent threat to the US" (the justification for that shit-war) that the Bush Admin never found...

[PosPosPos]

Not a republican, shows how mature you are, and you use it like it's some sort of bad word, in that case Democrats are a bad word too, feel better?

No worse than you and your ilk using "lefty" as a bad word. You can do it, but I can't? Yet again proving that republicans are utterly incapable of setting by their own standards.

Bush did have a timeline, and when Obama pulled out of Iraq, partisans like you said, yay Obama did it, but when ISIS gain power because of it, then it's back to Obama's fault. He could have negotiated to remain, but again he wasn't worried he said ISIS is the JV team, can't ignore that fact can you?

Right, and he had a fortune teller working for him and telling the future and consequences of following his duty to set by the agreement made by the former president. You say it's a timeline, because whitewashing the fact that it is an agreement is the only thing you can do at this point to make it seem like it was the onus on Obama.

Oh look at that, bashing the blame, don't want to acknowledge that Obama was fanning the flame of racial tension.

How? By pointing out that the tea party was pushing the republican party to take up the modern iteration of the Southern Strategy?

You didn't prove nothing wrong, you're nothing but a Partisan who thinks Obama can do no wrong. An intelligent person knows neither side can be completely right or completely wrong.

Well of course I didn't prove anything wrong to a republican, none of your lot ever think they do anything wrong. When was the last time a republican apologized for their mistakes? Oh right, it was before the tea party pushed the platform so far right into facism and unbridled racism.

P.S. Obama did try to negotiate for an extension of stay for US troops:

With the collapse of discussions about extending the stay of U.S. troops,[34][35] President Obama announced the full withdrawal of troops from Iraq, as previously scheduled, on 21 October 2011.[35]

There goes your followup lie out of the window.

[zenkai]

I believe it was you that posted about all the WMDs that Iraq supposedly had...which made them an "imminent threat to the US" (the justification for that shit-war) that the Bush Admin never found...

Actually WMDs found, did you forget that Bush repeadly asked Sadam to let people in to inspect to see if there were WMD's and he refused over and over and was told there would be war if he continues

Congress granted Bush the authority to invade IRAQ, including many Democrats such as Hillary Clinton

[tankbug]

Unless that popularity and respect translate into something actionable, no, most Americans do not care. Plus there's the argument that "A good compromise leaves everyone unhappy"; if the rest of the world is happy with Obama then arguably he's not done enough to force them to contribute in matters such as the "War on Terror" etc.

Well, I think it's hard to reach agreements on international political issues when the other leaders don't respect the president. Obama may not have reached all his goals, but it's better to do nothing than the terrible things. "A good compromise leaves everyone unhappy" might be true, but at least it doesn't leave one side happy, and the other side devastated. Sometimes, the compromise must be as good as it gets for a while, until more people are ready to refine it into something better.

[zenkai]

No worse than you and your ilk using "lefty" as a bad word. You can do it, but I can't? Yet again proving that republicans are utterly incapable of setting by their own standards.

You don't even know the difference between Lefty and Republican, here's a hint, you can be a Lefty Republican. You should just stop.

Right, and he had a fortune teller working for him and telling the future and consequences of following his duty to set by the agreement made by the former president. You say it's a timeline, because whitewashing the fact that it is an agreement is the only thing you can do at this point to make it seem like it was the onus on Obama.

Obama was told ISIS was a threat by intelligence, he said oh it's just the JV team, keep making excuses for this terrible President.

How? By pointing out that the tea party was pushing the republican party to take up the modern iteration of the Southern Strategy?

The Souther Strategy LOL now you're sideways argument, I am not even touching that one, only a fool believes in something that has been dis proven.

Well of course I didn't prove anything wrong to a republican, none of your lot ever think they do anything wrong. When was the last time a republican apologized for their mistakes? Oh right, it was before the tea party pushed the platform so far right into facism and unbridled racism.

Oh look resulting into name calling, you're not even worth my time, I only like talking to people who want to exchange an honest argument. I can respect peoples opinions who different than mine but when you result to childish tactics, I rather not debate a child.

[In Ogres We Trust]

Being the worst president ever would also be an achievement. And his chances for that one are quite high, I'd say.

Hardly! Assuming he wins, Bush I and II, Clinton, Carter, and Obama would have him beat by a mile.

[PosPosPos]

Just keep lying, just keep lying

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-us-plea-bases

But of course, keep lying. Even though the truth and evidence against your delusions are firmly documented.

Infracted - trolling

[Cyberowl]

Hardly! Assuming he wins, Bush I and II, Clinton, Carter, and Obama would have him beat by a mile.

I don't know, he has big plans. Not like Bush planned to go to war when he entered office; stuff still can happen on top of his current plans. Leave trade agreements, leave NATO, the most inefficient project you could think off, ban certain demographics (against constitution), limit freedom of press (against constitution), glass the ME, "revisit" the gay marriage decision. Quite some plans.

[fengosa]

He made race relationship worse, he made our healthcare system worse, he has poor leadership skills with congress, he helped ISIS gain power, I say those are good reasons. You can't accept that so you result to saying I am salty, oh and because you say it's a fact doesn't make it so.

1) if you think the state of race relations in the US is strictly Obama's fault you're ignoring centuries worth of history.

2) more Americans have health care coverage today then when Obama took office. I think those people disagree with you.

3) Congress has openly admitted to obstructionism and their approval rating is leagues below Obamas.

[zenkai]

1) if you think the state of race relations in the US is strictly Obama's fault you're ignoring centuries worth of history.

I never once said it's his fault, I said he helped made it worse, please tell me you can understand the difference.

2) more Americans have health care coverage today then when Obama took office. I think those people disagree with you.

We also pay a lot more, and a lot of that is funded by tax dollars. Instead of those tax dollars going to health clinics were poor people went it now goes to greedy insurance companies. Yay forced capitalism.

3) Congress has openly admitted to obstructionism and their approval rating is leagues below Obamas.

So? I am no fan of people in congress either, they are part of the problem. Obama should be leading and inspire them though, instead of causes division and hate. If Obama had acted more mature and reached across the isle instead of saying basically say Fuck Republicans, things would work smother. This is why Bill Clinton was a far superior Democrat president, he could work with a republican congress even though they hated him .

[PosPosPos]

So? I am no fan of people in congress either, they are part of the problem. Obama should be leading and inspire them though, instead of causes division and hate. If Obama had acted more mature and reached across the isle instead of saying basically say Fuck Republicans, things would work smother. This is why Bill Clinton was a far superior Democrat president, he could work with a republican congress even though they hated him .

Okay, so name one way that Obama could have "led and inspired" republicans.

Go on.

[alexw]

Not even close. He is not the worse however. Carter, Harding, Grant, Bush Jr are worse for sure. But the number of Presidents with more respect and better records are several above him. Best not to confuse respect with being easy.

Yeah I would rate Obama as middle of the pack. Not great but not awful. The thing is though, that since he has faced an exceedingly hostile congress its meant that its been impossible for him to get much of anything done. That I think is why he is middle of the pack. He simply has not had the opportunity to push his agenda through congress whether that agenda would be for good or ill (contrast that with Bush who was able to push through the disastrous Iraq war).

With respect to the rest of the world I do think they respect him highly, but a lot of it is due to the relief they feel of not having another Bush to deal with. If the colleague you work with who is an utter disaster who wrecks everything gets replaced with a middling bureaucrat, you will be exceedingly happy, but not because of what you now face but because of what you don't.

[Mongo42]

Someone did an image search for Hillary, grabbed an image they liked, and used it without checking where the image was pulled from. Happens all the time on 9gag, imgur, tumblr, twitter, etc.

It's a six pointed star. Is the standard lower case t associated with a crucifix? Could the five pointed stars on the U.S. flag be associated with some satanic symbology? When exactly did rainbows become the property of homosexuals anyway?

If someone wants to see something as "antisemitic" or "racist", they'll find a way to twist it. It's like claiming that light bulbs are racist. "Because they white! I saw a black light one time and it made everything look like I was on drugs! That's what white people think, we all on drugs. And that's why light bulbs are racist! And don't tell me nothin bout no "neon". I got a cousin named Neon and he ain't a bunch of different colors. He's black!"

[alexw]

Actually WMDs found, did you forget that Bush repeadly asked Sadam to let people in to inspect to see if there were WMD's and he refused over and over and was told there would be war if he continues

Congress granted Bush the authority to invade IRAQ, including many Democrats such as Hillary Clinton

Err what the heck?

This is flat out wrong and completely opposite to the reality of what happened.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...unitednations1

The inspection teams went back in in 2002 and found absolutely nothing. Saddam let them in because he was desperate to stop the invasion that was coming. Of course nothing was found because they did not exist at which point Bush and friends argued they were not found because they were being hidden.

Ergo the farce that it was suspicious that nothing was found, and the absence of evidence was then used as evidence for the need for war.

[TheMediator]

If someone wants to see something as "antisemitic" or "racist", they'll find a way to twist it. It's like claiming that light bulbs are racist. "Because they white! I saw a black light one time and it made everything look like I was on drugs! That's what white people think, we all on drugs. And that's why light bulbs are racist! And don't tell me nothin bout no "neon". I got a cousin named Neon and he ain't a bunch of different colors. He's black!"

The only way you could have a bigger strawman is if you were literally the Wickerman.

If you put up a video of someone burning a rainbow flag, that will be viewed as homophobic. That's just a fact. You have to be massively incompetent and also exceedingly unlucky to unknowingly do such a thing. The same can be said of linking wealthy jews and "Crooked Hillary" in such a manner.

[Joozt]

Dam this is a nice topic.
Drumpf is really losing it, did his brain melt or something?
No worries though after he loses the election he can start a comedy act, I would pay money to watch that!

[Pangean]

So? I am no fan of people in congress either, they are part of the problem. Obama should be leading and inspire them though, instead of causes division and hate. If Obama had acted more mature and reached across the isle instead of saying basically say Fuck Republicans, things would work smother. This is why Bill Clinton was a far superior Democrat president, he could work with a republican congress even though they hated him .

What a pile of horseshit political revisionism. I can only assume you were too young to have been politically aware during the time of Obama's first inauguration. Frank Luntz orchestrated a meeting with the Republicans where they developed a plan to oppose everything Obama tried to do on the day of his inauguration. Pretty difficult to work with a group of folks who have already decided to oppose everything. I also note that Obama actually did try to work with them, in fact a lot of early criticism of him from his own party was his constant attempts to bring in the GOP on issues and being slapped in the face for doing so by them.

[chrisfover87]

I am just glad that most people posting on this forum are not eligible to vote in US. God bless America.

[Felya]

Actually WMDs found, did you forget that Bush repeadly asked Sadam to let people in to inspect to see if there were WMD's and he refused over and over and was told there would be war if he continues

This isn't true at all. One of the reasons for coalition of the willing, is because a lot of countries were not willing, because UN inspectors found nothing. Then, if WMDs were found, why was Colin Powel claiming they were moving out via caravans during 9/11 commission?