No racial bias in police shootings, new study finds

[Deleted]

What does that have anything to do with it. Being poor does no excuse you to murder someone. Being poor does not excuse you to commit any crime. The fact that they are committing crimes and those crimes are committed within a geographically small and racially segregated areas causing for a larger police force and more police vs public encounters is cause.

It would indicate that some groups of people, are more inclined to do Crimes due to their Socioeconomical situation.

Ain't saying it's right or wrong, just that the frequency of said situations that can stem from, is increased ; And that is a problem.

[Queen of Hamsters]

I find there are 2 types of people, those who think with emotion and those who think with logic. Sadly the emotional thinkers are more passionate and are the ones ruining this country.

A-fucking-MEN to that. Sad but true, and not likely to change anytime soon. It's the case in my country as well.

[Deleted]

Don't put yourself in a sketchy situation to get in a confrontation with the police, plain and simple If you are a decent contributing member of society you will never have any issues with the police. Now if you are in a dark alley doing sketchy shit or something that can be perceived as sketchy, then you deserve what you get.

Have you ever compared how other countries police force handle people?

I've seen American Videos of Police, throwing themselves on the ground and unleash a full magazine of a Glock (about 20 rounds), into a person, when they were on about 10-15 meters distance, with a freaking Knife.

Whilst there are other countries, same situation, that are quite more than capable, in shown videos, of restraining said person without having to remotely injure the person.

So, again, how is it "deserved"? Are you just plain FOR killing people?

[Revi]

i'm just going by what was said. woman said the cop told the guy to get his information, he informed the cop he's licensed to carry, cop then told him to put his hands out the window because of that, he didn't immediately listen and instead kept going for his information. cop shot him 5 times.

You can hear the cop afterwards freaking out, sounds like he realized he fucked up.

[TheMediator]

Why are people saying "this is obvious"? It's obvious that blacks are treated more aggressively than whites by police under equal circumstances up to the point of lethal force? You would generally expect things to be all one way or the other - either cops are more aggressive in their treatment of blacks in all regards or they treat whites and blacks no differently.

Also, ITT: a lot of people who don't understand statistical analysis and have to throw in their uninformed two cents.

[Bollocks]

Why is it when I post a study from the same or similar sources, I am attacked for sample size and other reasons, despite it being statistically fine. Meanwhile we are taking this one at face value

#Greymanestatsmatter

Becuase it feed the narrative of people?

[Deleted]

Why are people saying "this is obvious"? It's obvious that blacks are treated more aggressively than whites by police under equal circumstances up to the point of lethal force? You would generally expect things to be all one way or the other - either cops are more aggressive in their treatment of blacks in all regards or they treat whites and blacks no differently.

Idk who said it's obvious, but the data suggests that the Public clearly baloons the idea of how much Force black people are expected to meet in encounters with Police.

[Dug]

Why are people saying "this is obvious"? It's obvious that blacks are treated more aggressively than whites by police under equal circumstances up to the point of lethal force? You would generally expect things to be all one way or the other - either cops are more aggressive in their treatment of blacks in all regards or they treat whites and blacks no differently.

Because people are only reading the title

[Rothg]

I take it your slanted, clearly white biased blog isn't going to take into account socioeconomic problems, or point out that most black on white crime is crime or opportunity, and you probably aren't going to make mention of the groups that are trying to fight black on black crime which is largely due to poverty.

Can I get you on record saying socioeconomic issues and poverty are the problem, rather than systemically racist cops? Because then I would agree with you.

Black lives matter isn't trying to fight black on black crime or poverty.

[GennGreymane]

Becuase it feed the narrative of people?

#greymanestatsalsofullintonarrativesandmatters

[Rothg]

You can hear the cop afterwards freaking out, sounds like he realized he fucked up.

That's what I heard too. You could almost hear his voice cracking.

[Dug]

Can I get you on record saying socioeconomic issues and poverty are the problem, rather than systemically racist cops? Because then I would agree with you.

Black lives matter isn't trying to fight black on black crime or poverty.

No because there are other groups already fighting against those. BLM focus is on police brutality against blacks. If you ask who then google them, they're there but they don't get as much news coverage as BLM for obvious reasons.

[Arcrin]

look at the statistics of who does the crimes its no wonder more black people gets shot they're out there doing the majority of crimes.

[Draco-Onis]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/12/up...ings.html?_r=0



Interesting read. It does say that blacks are more likely to face non-lethal methods of force when confronted by the police as well, but when it comes to lethal use of force blacks were either less likely to be shot or there was no difference between blacks and whites.

Any study about shootings especially police shootings are flawed since we do not track them properly due to how the system is set up, we actually have no accurate hard data on shootings in general because of the NRA and their influence on government.

[Deleted]

look at the statistics of who does the crimes its no wonder more black people gets shot they're out there doing the majority of crimes.

The statistics imply that LESS blacks get shot.

Can you read?

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Any study about shootings especially police shootings are flawed since we do not track them properly due to how the system is set up, we actually have no accurate hard data on shootings in general because of the NRA and their influence on government.

It's sad to say, but it's almost like your goverment does not want you to know the truth of matters.

[petej0]

i'm just going by what was said. woman said the cop told the guy to get his information, he informed the cop he's licensed to carry, cop then told him to put his hands out the window because of that, he didn't immediately listen and instead kept going for his information. cop shot him 5 times.

When given orders you obey, especially when a cop has a gun pointed at you. I read that the cop pulled him over because he matched the description of an armed robbery suspect they were on the look out for. So already the cop is on high alert. It is a sad, sad ending.

It would indicate that some groups of people, are more inclined to do Crimes due to their Socioeconomical situation.

Ain't saying it's right or wrong, just that the frequency of said situations that can stem from, is increased ; And that is a problem.

So, lets take what you said. You have a group who, because their low socio-economic status, commit more crimes and thus under more scrutiny by law enforcement. They live in an area with more police coverage to help fight the increased crime thus more encounters with the police. This increased presence brings more resentment towards them and less cooperation (snitches get stitches) less trust and so when encounters do happen are filled with more tense and anger. Which is a vicious circle feeding on itself.

So we have a group of people committing crimes causing life to be miserable for everyone else who lives in these neighborhoods. We have a group of people who job is to protect/help the victims in these neighborhoods and when they do their job of upholding the laws they are given shit by the same community they are serving. They encounter more resistance during detaining and arresting and are generally disliked.

While the police have their fair share of aggressiveness and assaults during arrests. It looks like both side will have to come together to solve this issue. It isnt a one sided issue, and it wont be solved if only one side changes their approach.

[Kalis]

#greymanestatsalsofullintonarrativesandmatters

Your stats are the Rickon Stark of stats, forgotten less than a minute after they die.

[Deleted]

So, lets take what you said. You have a group who, because their low socio-economic status, commit more crimes and thus under more scrutiny by law enforcement. They live in an area with more police coverage to help fight the increased crime thus more encounters with the police. This increased presence brings more resentment towards them and less cooperation (snitches get stitches) less trust and so when encounters do happen are filled with more tense and anger. Which is a vicious circle feeding on itself.

So we have a group of people committing crimes causing life to be miserable for everyone else who lives in these neighborhoods. We have a group of people who job is to protect/help the victims in these neighborhoods and when they do their job of upholding the laws they are given shit by the same community they are serving. They encounter more resistance during detaining and arresting and are generally disliked.

While the police have their fair share of aggressiveness and assaults during arrests. It looks like both side will have to come together to solve this issue. It isnt a one sided issue, and it wont be solved if only one side changes their approach.

There is no data suggesting that escalation.

The data simply implies that Blacks get shot equally as much as whites or less. No more, no less. One could even question the legitimacy of the data to begin with.

[Harekrsna]

Absolute bullshit.

The people who think everything is fine with the US police system are the ones lacking logic and the ability to comprehend the facts. You and Revi just skimmed over the fact that the report declares violence is much more likely to be used against black people. The conclusion of this report misses the point when it tries to isolate shootings.

Fact 1: African-Americans are stopped by police much more often.
Fact 2: African-Americans have violence used against them much more often.
Fact 3: When things escalate they are less likely to get shot.

Sadly #3 can not overcompensate for the flaw of #2 and #1, ergo there is much more escalation between black people and the police.

So stop sitting on that pretentious high horse of yours. You've absolutely no background to claim any high ground in logic or reason, on the contrary I'd argue.

The study controls for the # of acts. Nobody is denying that police mistreat blacks, we are denying the narrative that cops walk around the city ready to shoot blacks. Every cop in the US knows if they shoot a white guy it'll be a case open, case closed situation. A cop will most likely put themselves in danger more to avoid shooting a black guy because they know that shooting a black guy is going to get them in a lot of trouble and their city/precinct/etc.

Plus who is to say that it isn't African Americans who are more violent than other races which leads to more violent reactions from the police. Everyone knows blacks have got attitude, talk to a cop like they are a punk and don't be shocked when they slam you down a bit harder when they are putting the cuffs on. Not saying its right, but don't poke the bear if you don't want the paw.

[Draco-Onis]

It's sad to say, but it's almost like your goverment does not want you to know the truth of matters.

Exactly a combination of funding cuts, voluntary reporting and odd rules like they cannot use computers have made it so that there is zero accurate shootings database in the US. Even the most "accurate" one we have the FBI databases misses countless shootings every year, the system is designed to give us flawed data.