Anything wrong with using a guild for gear?

[Deleted]

People using guilds as stepping stones are asshats. That being said, many people are fine with being asshats if it means personal gain. Nothing new.

Really wish there'd be some way to attach a badge of shame to someone's account, considering people can behave as they please and then change name and move servers these days...

Everyone's open to his own opinion, but I am curious still:
1) You want to raid mythic, but lack the gear/hc experience as foundation for joining a mythic gear right away. How do you go about aquiring those things without joining a guild? HC pugs? O lord, what a way to build a resumé...
2) So you just have to be lucky to end up in a guild that actually ends up going mythic?

You talk about guild switches like they are coupled with legendaries our boss mount ninja'ed drops.
When you work at a job, you do it for the money.
When you play a game, you do it for the fun.
Socialising and making friends at the side shouldn't dictate where you work or how you play the game (provided you do not totally fuck others over, like with ninja rolls or such, not paying on agreements and the like).

Also: badge of shame? are you serious? oh man...

[Deja Thoris]

I agree but when it comes down to it if your guild is not raiding at the level I want to raid at, how long do you expect me to wait? I realize it isn't the idea situation as I recall gearing up healer after healer in Karazhan and them quitting once they reached a certain gear score. It's shady on OP's part but I can't blame him if the guild he is in isn't making an effort to get to the level of raiding he wants to be at. We aren't all Princess's of Mars here so not everyone will have your code of honor.

Why even join it if they aren't at your level. Good guilds will help you gear more efficiently anyway.

Not being a cunt isn't a code of honour. It's common courtesy.

[roahn the warlock]

Everyone's open to his own opinion, but I am curious still:
1) You want to raid mythic, but lack the gear/hc experience as foundation for joining a mythic gear right away. How do you go about aquiring those things without joining a guild? HC pugs? O lord, what a way to build a resumé...
2) So you just have to be lucky to end up in a guild that actually ends up going mythic?

You talk about guild switches like they are coupled with legendaries our boss mount ninja'ed drops.
When you work at a job, you do it for the money.
When you play a game, you do it for the fun.
Socialising and making friends at the side shouldn't dictate where you work or how you play the game (provided you do not totally fuck others over, like with ninja rolls or such, not paying on agreements and the like).

Also: badge of shame? are you serious? oh man...

As a former hardcore raid recruiter. I wouldn't recruit someone who didn't invest at least 1 raid tier into a guild. When a guild recruits someone, they are investing their time into that person, just like a job invests money and training into a person. If you leave, you're just fucking over 24 other people who wasted 2-3 weeks on your sorry ass, when they could have invested in a raider who planned to stay.

If you want gear to build yourself up, Pug. It's not fucking hard. What OP wants, is to join a group and be handed gear, or "Carried" because they are too lazy to pug.

[DarkIron]

Let's say you just started back playing and your goal is to raid mythic.

However you don't have the gear. So you join a heroic guild which has been raiding heroics for a while and where they don't need much gear anymore. After a week or 2 you get your 4 piece and get to know the fights. Then you bail for a mythic guild.

Anything wrong with this?

1. Yes you're a dick.
2. You assume getting your "4" piece matters to a mythic guild, you're a dick.
3. You probably got carried and sucked and now hope a mythic guild will carry you to more gear, you're a dick.
4. Mythic guilds aren't stupid. You have no history, no proof you can play. They'll talk to the GM, the GM will say you suck. you're a dick.
5. If you assume only gear matters, you're a dick.
6. you're a dick
7. Don't assume you were the best player, just cause you played to the best of you abilities you can still be a mouth-breather. You're a dick.
8. You are candidate number one for most useless player of the year award, you're a dick.
9. you're a dick

[clevin]

I don't see why. I've tried pugging and had very poor luck with gear.
If I give the guild 2 weeks top performance and then leave with gear, what's wrong with that?

0/10. Too classic of a troll question. Try harder.

[unfilteredJW]

Bottom of the barrel as usual, I see.

[Lucetia]

Let's say you just started back playing and your goal is to raid mythic.

However you don't have the gear. So you join a heroic guild which has been raiding heroics for a while and where they don't need much gear anymore. After a week or 2 you get your 4 piece and get to know the fights. Then you bail for a mythic guild.

Anything wrong with this?

Honestly, I think it's dumb when people do that. If that is your intention then you should join a guild for that purpose instead of wasting other people's time, especially on servers that have hard enough time for people.

In the end though, it's really up to you and how you feel at the end of the day. If you feel like 80% (rough guess) of the people in the community you won't care or look back and/or maybe laugh at the guilds misfortune. If you will feel bad then perhaps it's not something you should doo.

[Deckon]

Circumstances change. When you joined you needed gear and some experience in heroic. Once you need either you move on because the guild is no longer raiding at a level for which you are comfortable. Seems fine to me.

Your intent is very clear with this thread/post. You want gear, you want to use others for said gear, then you are saying your circumstances might change, thus making your bailing not a bad thing.

You stated the intent was to raid mythic, and to use a heroic guild to gear up.

It's a dick move, plain and simple, and no matter how you want to spin it, it's still a dick move.

[Queen of Hamsters]

As a former hardcore raid recruiter. I wouldn't recruit someone who didn't invest at least 1 raid tier into a guild. When a guild recruits someone, they are investing their time into that person, just like a job invests money and training into a person. If you leave, you're just fucking over 24 other people who wasted 2-3 weeks on your sorry ass, when they could have invested in a raider who planned to stay.

If you want gear to build yourself up, Pug. It's not fucking hard. What OP wants, is to join a group and be handed gear, or "Carried" because they are too lazy to pug.

This, 100%.

I realize that self-serving asshats might not like this approach, but I'd never join a guild that would be OK with people joining, getting gear and then leaving. It makes for too much instability and ever changing faces in the guild, never knowing if someone's there for the long run or just lootwhoring...

And yes, badge of shame. Since accountability went out the window with name change, faction changes, server changes and all that, there should be some way to keep track of the self-serving asshats and trolls for people that don't wanna be affected by such behaviour.

[DarkIron]

I agree but when it comes down to it if your guild is not raiding at the level I want to raid at, how long do you expect me to wait? I realize it isn't the idea situation as I recall gearing up healer after healer in Karazhan and them quitting once they reached a certain gear score. It's shady on OP's part but I can't blame him if the guild he is in isn't making an effort to get to the level of raiding he wants to be at. We aren't all Princess's of Mars here so not everyone will have your code of honor.

You're assume the OP has any part at all in being in a Mythic Guild, much less a Heroic Guild.

From the sounds of it, the OP doesn't even get how raiding works, he's just concerned about his ilevel and his looking for people to carry his lazy ass.

Every guild on the planet should avoid players like him.

Sure its his account, but it is someone else's guild and he has no right to use other people.

He has no merit, he probably has no skill. Let him PUG his way to the gear if he is a leet as he claims he is.

[clevin]

Come on people NO ONE starts looking to raid mythic the week before the next expansion pre-patch. NO ONE. This is nothing but a bored troll.

[Sylvaeres]

^ the modern day "me" mentality that is pretty much ruining the world.

^the modern day "I need a safe space because my mommy told me i'm special as a kid so I'm deluded into believing my opinion matters"

Listen up kid. It's very simple. We play this game to enjoy it. There's nothing enjoyable about playing with people less skilled than you are when you have the desire to do better. I would know firsthand. I was in a guild that was far below my standards for almost a year, and I was miserable doing the same bosses, having the same people fail at the same mechanics the same amount of times over and over. Now I'm in a guild that I had to step my game up or be left in the dust, and I'm much happier. You can tell yourself whatever you want sweetheart, at the end of the day, you're not your fucking khakis

[Alvito]

I don't see why. I've tried pugging and had very poor luck with gear.
If I give the guild 2 weeks top performance and then leave with gear, what's wrong with that?

If you need a full set of gear your top performance isn't helping. More over you are taking loot from people that would have stuck around so there is a ripple effect. Of course if you really thought it was okay to do it you could just be upfront about it. The lack of honesty shows you know it is a scumbag move.

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Come on people NO ONE starts looking to raid mythic the week before the next expansion pre-patch. NO ONE. This is nothing but a bored troll.

Their history of posts would line up with what you are saying. Beyond the OP many people are switching taids now either looking further into Legion, trying to find somethingto replace their dead raid at the moment or like myself finding a new group after a transfer.

[Frolk]

Grade A shitpost by an troll

ofc its bad to use an guild for that

[Deleted]

^ This is also the mentality of the MMO-Champion forums. It's a shitty mentality. First off, unless OP soloed all those raid bosses, when you are part of a team, you are all playing for eachother. This is what a -team- is. I pity that you, and the majority of MMO-Champion know nothing about what it means to work on a -team-. No "Dedication" has been proven, and if she's joining a real mythic team, I would be first to see how long she's been in other guilds, and decline immediately, because I wouldn't want some guild-hopping asshole to do the same thing to me.

To put it in simpler terms. It's like getting into a relationship you know won't last, but not telling her. Then dumping her the moment someone hotter comes along.

"But you're only in it for your own happiness"

See now how it's the asshole move?

1) Yes, and due to your contribution, others get loot as well. You helped them just as much as they helped you. Being in a team means helping each other so that everyone can get something out of it. If someone would be continuously left out of gear during raiding for weeks and months, guess what he'd do? He'd leave (in most cases). Why? because raiding for a big part is for loot. It's one of the major underlying motivations of the game, and dont tell me otherwhise.

When I joined my previous guild, in my 1st or 2nd run (as MM hunter) the normal mode trinket Heart of the Mountain dropped, which was high up there for my spec . I had crappy gear for the most part, because I was fresh 100 and had mostly hc dungeon gear, some 640 epics and one or two greens even.
Needless to say, every item that would drop would be a huge leap for me.

I passed on it in favor of another hunter who lacked only that trinket, and was largely running around in hc gear already.
The same ID or after, the hc one dropped for him.
And he was playing BM no less, so less benefit for him.
I did not complain, I did it for the team no problem, I got enough gear, and got my own hc trinket a few IDs later, upgraded to mythic the week after through a garisson mission (good karma?).

Shortly after, we took up another hunter in my situation, and as an item dropped that I still needed, I passed on it for him anyway. Same situation as above, different choice, both not "In my favor".

Why? Because I am not that hung up about my own benefit. But IF I had the ambition to climb to the top.
The goal, the dream. I would not feel guilty for the gear I wear, as I have payed with time and sweat for it. And I wouldn't hold it for another to do the same.

2) No dedication? Well it depends on several factors. None of us knows the specifics, I believe? (Edit: read the red text below)
Was the guild stuck in one place for months? Or did the OP just leave after catching up, even though the guild showed a steady climb?
Did the OP wipe the floor first, or did the continuously keep standing at the end, with top dps and no mistakes, cursing how others wont match his efforts?

I wont know. BUT if it is the latter, can you hold it against someone working hard with the effort and quality of a mythic raider to aspire for it, when his raid is not able to match his enthusiasm and seal?

Maybe I was not clear enough in my post? If your guild holds you down, you should switch. If you are part of the problem and annoyed by lack of results, improve first, before you consider weighing down mythic guilds instead.

The one thing I'd think is unforgiving is to not give it your all when others do it.
I expect from others what I wish they accept from me, and vice versa.

3) Tell me: How is a emotionally-based intimate relationship comparable with playing a game (you pay for) the way you like it?
Right; it's not!
You didn't put it into simpler terms, but dumb ones. Not all comparissons are okay to use, and using over-the-top comparisons to make hitler out of a guy peeing on the road side is not helping in proving your point.

Edit: Missed the comment with "2 weeks". That's far to short a time.
Yeah, that's pretty shitty. Swooping in and out for gear is a dick move. After some time after gearing up and doing everything you can in a guild not playing on your level, you have green light, imo.

[The High Druid]

As others have said it depends on the circumstances under which you join. If your intention from the outset is to bug out as soon as you have the gear you want you should be up front about this. It might be you find a guild struggling to make the numbers for raids and welcomes the temporary help. If you joining prevents them from recruiting someone else then you are into selfish territory.

So you spend two weeks giving them your skills, whatever they may be. If the guild then has to recruit someone else and spend another couple of weeks building their gear that's a lot of man-hours of other peoples time you have consumed. This sort of crap used to happen a lot in the "good old days" of Burning Crusade that a lot of people seem to want back (I am certainly not one of them). Guilds would stall out on progress because people kept leaving and they had to gear up replacements before they could move on themselves. That may not be as much of an issue these days, but still a crappy thing to do.

Edit: Of course the obvious answer to this these days is join a raid team that uses personal loot. Then the impact of what you are doing is at least reduced to a minimum.

[Queen of Hamsters]

Listen up kid. s

^Case in point for what I've been saying about people with this mentality.

On topic: If someone's not good enough at his class to be accepted and geared up in the guild that he wants to join, I can understand how his only way out would be to leech off of "lesser" (lol) guilds and be accepted through ilvl alone.

Doesn't make it any less of a dick move.

[Deleted]

As a former hardcore raid recruiter. I wouldn't recruit someone who didn't invest at least 1 raid tier into a guild. When a guild recruits someone, they are investing their time into that person, just like a job invests money and training into a person. If you leave, you're just fucking over 24 other people who wasted 2-3 weeks on your sorry ass, when they could have invested in a raider who planned to stay.

If you want gear to build yourself up, Pug. It's not fucking hard. What OP wants, is to join a group and be handed gear, or "Carried" because they are too lazy to pug.

And that is totally acceptable. I dont think any time-frame was mentioned though, and quality of raid was not a thing either. Gearing up usually takes several weeks of raiding also, and I dont think he said leaving as soon as fully geared, but I could've overlooked something.

My previous guild stopped progress after wiping an ID or two on first mythic bosses. People left and eventually mythic was completely out of sight. I even stayed with the guild for months before leaving after almost the entire raid had quit.
And precisely because I know how shitty it can be sometimes to be overly loyal, I believe if you have the opportunity to achieve something (again, by not fucking someone up), you should do it.

Edit: Missed the comment with "2 weeks". That's far to short a time.
Yeah, that's pretty shitty. Swooping in and out for gear is a dick move. After some time after gearing up and doing everything you can in a guild not playing on your level, you have green light, imo.

[coprax]

Let's say you just started back playing and your goal is to raid mythic.

However you don't have the gear. So you join a heroic guild which has been raiding heroics for a while and where they don't need much gear anymore. After a week or 2 you get your 4 piece and get to know the fights. Then you bail for a mythic guild.

Anything wrong with this?

Yes, everything is wrong with this! People like this are the reason guilds die.
If you want to raid mythic apply for a mythic guild.
Good guilds don't care what gear you have, or if you know the bossfights perfectly, they care wether you play decently and know what you're doing.
Progression is long over, there is literally no benefit in having mythic gear or being familiar mit HFC fights. It doesn't matter for legion.

[Treeskee]

As long as you're up front about what you plan to do no. Even then I doubt I'd do that.