Leaked document says 2000 men allegedly assaulted 1200 German women on New Year’s Eve

[frogger237]

2000 men involved and 120 suspects half of which were/are recently arrived foreigners. Am i misinterpreting the info presented in the OP?

What am i missing here? Is this an anti-refugee thread? I ain't no defender of rapists, regardless of their nationality, but if the agenda here is to build a case agaisn't male refugees based on 60 alleged offenders out of 2000, even conceding the possibility of that number being larger, is a bit....far fetched, no?

What its saying is that out of the 2000 guys only 120 have been identified and of those 120 about half of them were recently arrived foreigners. The other 1880 could all be Germans or all Foreigners or a mix we don't know as they haven't been identified.

It also doesn't say what constitutes sexual assault, so it could be anything to a guy accidentally bumping into a woman brushing up against her breasts or some creep fondling a chick or straight up raping someone.

[Luxxor]

Its a cultural misunderstanding ok?

[lonely zergling]

Please, please tell me noble dudes with pictures of spartans and crusaders in your avatar how you can deport migrants for sexual assault if what they did was not illegal per the previous law who had a very narrow definition of rape ?

And how to change the said law without hysterical screaming of ''muh ugly lesbian feminists''

You dont get what the problem is here dont you? The main problem is they cant identify the alleged attackers... not that it was not "illegal". Thats the part the feminists forgot to mention in their "OMGZ rapist white menz-" outrage.

[TwoNineMarine]

How so?

Because anytime anyone on here says anything that could even be construed as being against these Muslim immigrants (let's not kid. We know who that report was about) they get called racist/xenophobic.

[Hana Song]

That´s not up to you, but the justice system. It´s useless information for the common man.

Why is that useless information for the common man? Do you want to keep your population ignorant to what is happening in their own country and only be exposed to whatever you want to be told?
That is usually called covering up and propaganda

[Deleted]

Do you know why the Police is reticent, they do not want to point out the worng person(s) if they did have good signalement they would arrest the culprits. Now what point is it to say some of the suspects have dark skin and might be arabic but we are unsure....

The police never say somthing like this the suspects have blond hair and did speak German becuse that weakly singalemnt are pointless in Germany, hence it pointless to point out the suspect did have dark skin in a town there it was loots of refugees.

[sarahtasher]

You dont get what the problem is here dont you? The main problem is they cant identify the alleged attackers... not that it was not "illegal". Thats the part the feminists forgot to mention in their "OMGZ rapist white menz-" outrage.

Uh, yes, prosecution would have been problematic with the current law. Which is why they accelerate the legislative process.

[lonely zergling]

Uh, yes, prosecution would have been problematic with the current law. Which is why they accelerate the legislative process.

Sexual Coersion/Compulsion / sexual assault was already illegal dude. Major problem is: cant identify the alleged attacker. Video evidence is bad quality and its dark.

Also what does the new law bring if you have not even identified the attackers?

[Raldazzar]

Perfect fuel for the white teenage angst we see so much on the internet.

or is it righteous anger. why would we not be angry at our citizens being assaulted en masse? not that I'm a teen, but even so. there is a reason they kept this hidden. to hide the quite right anger from the people.

[Darkeon]

They were probably asking for it.

By being out on the streets..
Without a male relative escorting them.

[Gaexion Ramza Beoulve]

Perfect fuel for the white teenage angst we see so much on the internet.

If you won't indict these rapists then you are blaming the victim. You might as well take your place in the rape que.

[sockzz]

Well they probably weren't wearing a burqa so...

[Zarc]

How about making this a discussion of how disgusting and outrageous a thing it was for these 2000 men, of which half was migrants, to do such a thing? How these specific 1000 foreign nationals should be punished and deported? Rather than making this discussion a generalization of the hundreds of thousands of people.

No? Haha. Of course not.

And there we're once again locked in a discussion where one side feels obligated to speak out against racism and xenophobia and gets distracted from the topic at hand and the other side feel like the other side are defending criminal behavior.

[Queen of Hamsters]

What annoys me more than these acts, is that people try to cover them up to prevent racial tensions from rising...

Yep, which in turn only escalates things further. If people's concerns and fears aren't addressed by more than accusations of "racism" and "bigotry", people grow angry.

[Mayhem]

Because anytime anyone on here says anything that could even be construed as being against these Muslim immigrants (let's not kid. We know who that report was about) they get called racist/xenophobic.

In this case, that was you, congrats.

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Why is that useless information for the common man? Do you want to keep your population ignorant to what is happening in their own country and only be exposed to whatever you want to be told?
That is usually called covering up and propaganda

Unless you have proof that their country of origin plays a role in the crime it´s useless information. Just like skin colour, age, height...

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or is it righteous anger. why would we not be angry at our citizens being assaulted en masse? not that I'm a teen, but even so. there is a reason they kept this hidden. to hide the quite right anger from the people.

So you demanded all these years to know the skin colour of the culprit and his country of origin or just now?

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How about making this a discussion of how disgusting and outrageous a thing it was for these 2000 men, of which half was migrants, to do such a thing? How these specific 1000 foreign nationals should be punished and deported? Rather than making this discussion a generalization of the hundreds of thousands of people.

No? Haha. Of course not.

And there we're once again locked in a discussion where one side feels obligated to speak out against racism and xenophobia and gets distracted from the topic at hand and the other side feel like the other side are defending criminal behavior.

60 not 1000 and what´s there to talk about, the justice system will handle this. We´re not talking about how the other 60 should be punished, now do we?

[PC2]

Migration and tolerance are suppose to bring increased social and economic prosperity to Germany. This isn't suppose to be happening.

[Forogil]

Sexual Coersion/Compulsion / sexual assault was already illegal dude. Major problem is: cant identify the alleged attacker. Video evidence is bad quality and its dark.

Also what does the new law bring if you have not even identified the attackers?

As I understand it the new law means that if you are in a group against someone who is assaulted you are guilty. Doesn't matter if they cannot identify you as an actual attacker as long as you are part of that group - and you can be deported for that crime.

So, the new law makes it easier to punish attackers in situations such as this - even though the behaviour was already illegal.

[Hana Song]

Unless you have proof that their country of origin plays a role in the crime it´s useless information. Just like skin colour, age, height...

People should be made aware of who commits crime, what other areas do you think people should be kept in the dark? Where they should not be provided any knowledge? Do you like propaganda with wanting to cover up things that are not deemed beneficial to you?

[Forogil]

Well they probably weren't wearing a burqa so...

The usual ignorance, as women wearing burqas don't feel safe either.
Read what Amnesty wrote about refugee women - and remember that a large number of sexual assaults are between people who know each other.

[Blur4stuff]

I'm not familiar with how Germany/Europe deals with refugees. Are they educated after/before arriving?