Doctor speaks out on treating the officers shot in the Dallas attack.

[ControlWarrior]

Lol...

"Police arrested someone who broke the law for choosing to be an antagonistic asshole during the confrontation instead of choosing to cooperate and then going about their business! Obviously police are out to get everyone!"

Typical people nowadays... You have the right to remain silent, but you are still legally compelled to comply with a lawful order by police. The right to remain silent is there to prevent self incrimination.

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She didn't have to talk, she had the right to remain silent. They went on to tell her she had the right to remain silent yet arrested her for it. When she was at the station their boss apologized and said that the troopers were mistaken.

How is it antagonizing to simply refuse to speak? You have a right to be silent.

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No, it's more like the officers didn't know she had the right to remain silent and arrested her for exercising her right to remain silent. Once at the station they apologized and their boss said they were mistaken. The officers didn't know the law.

Umm, no. /10char

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I mean, yes that's technically right, but it's obvious that she was being antagonistic by just looking at someone and refusing to speak to them. She shouldn't have been arrested, but the second she refused to provide him with anything involving the ticket put her in cuffs.

She wasn't charged, but that doesn't mean they couldn't have if they wanted to make an example of her.

[I Push Buttons]

Typical people nowadays... You have the right to remain silent, but you are still legally compelled to comply with a lawful order by police. The right to remain silent is there to prevent self incrimination.

And most US jurisdictions give the police the authority to arrest people for "willfully obstructing, resisting, or delaying an officer who is lawfully performing or attempting to perform his or her duties"...

Being an arrogant uncooperative piece of shit because "muh rights" just for the sake of it and not to actually protect yourself is exactly why those laws exist. Cooperating instead of being a piece of shit isn't incriminating yourself... Especially when we are talking about a routine traffic stop.

Jesus fucking Christ people.

[apepi]

That guy see,ed like he was super nervous, he probably is not used to talking in front of a lot of people or being on camera.

[Mormolyce]

Someone posted a stat recently and it was something like over 40 million people interacted with police in 2015. Even if 4,000 people got killed by police every year it would still be less than 0.1% of the people who interacted with the police. You'd be more likely to die from a bee sting than to die from a police officer.

UK fatal police shootings: 60 from 1990 - 2016. So about 2.3 per year. UK has about 1/5th the US population so if the UK rate was in the US it'd be 11/yr.
Australia fatal police shootings: 105 from 1989 to 2011. About 4.7 per year, about 1/13th the US, so adjusted rate 65/yr
Apparently the US has no solid national stats on fatal police shootings, but the FBI law enforcement justifiable homicide stats are around 400/yr.

Probably a distinct underestimate, according to the Washington Post's database, it was more like 990 in 2015. Whichever figure you believe, the US has an astonishingly higher rate than other developed nations.


http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2...uk-and-germany

(Using the Washington Post's numbers)

http://www.inquest.org.uk/statistics...lice-shootings
http://theconversation.com/shoot-to-...ustralia-34578
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.d90a8ab7395c
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc..._2009-2013.xls
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...ice-shootings/

Actually the number is below 10,000 in the US. With most of those being suicide.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ted_death_rate

Firearm homicide rate: about 3.4 per 100k, note that this is specifically homicides. So that's about your 10k. If it included suicides it'd be 30k. I suspect you saw the homicide rate and didn't realise suicides had already been taken out of it.

[Bytch]

A strong and tight knit community makes the Executive Branch's Police Dept's obsolete. Especially since they hire vet's with PTSD's, other mental issues and people with below average (110) IQ's. They dont want smart people as LEO's, they want wondertards that follow orders. Just FYI. I have more than 15 family members as cops, 3 cousins in FBI. All of which are above 40 yrs old and with fairly decent above average IQ's. But , I still cant stand how the Police are. When a " good " cop tries to out or bring to justice "bad" cops, the good cops are the ones that get fired and demonized.

[ControlWarrior]

A strong and tight knit community makes the Executive Branch's Police Dept's obsolete. Especially since they hire vet's with PTSD's, other mental issues and people with below average (110) IQ's. They dont want smart people as LEO's, they want wondertards that follow orders. Just FYI. I have more than 15 family members as cops, 3 cousins in FBI. All of which are above 40 yrs old and with fairly decent above average IQ's. But , I still cant stand how the Police are. When a " good " cop tries to out or bring to justice "bad" cops, the good cops are the ones that get fired and demonized.

Just like every other job, police are representative of the population. You get some bad, but the vast majority are good. The simple minded like to classify groups to fit a particular narrative.

[Bytch]

Typical people nowadays... You have the right to remain silent, but you are still legally compelled to comply with a lawful order by police. The right to remain silent is there to prevent self incrimination.

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Umm, no. /10char

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She wasn't charged, but that doesn't mean they couldn't have if they wanted to make an example of her.

So, follow my orders or get the boot up your ass? LEO's are and have been trampling people's rights for far too long. It's time for people to get educated to use their rights. Or else you lose them. A generation of people thinking things are normal, will no longer have rights in the next generation. Use'em or lose'em.

[GrinningMan]

Cause: Be worthless human garbage.
Effect: Get arrested.

Cause: Don't be worthless human garbage.
Effect: Have a good day, Officer.

I can't believe I have to say this, because I had more faith in people... But don't do anything that would be antagonizing. I mean you wouldn't go around and antagonize some Joe Nobody off the street, why would you do it to someone because of the uniform?

[I Push Buttons]

UK fatal police shootings: 60 from 1990 - 2016. So about 2.3 per year. UK has about 1/5th the US population so if the UK rate was in the US it'd be 11/yr.
Australia fatal police shootings: 105 from 1989 to 2011. About 4.7 per year, about 1/13th the US, so adjusted rate 65/yr
Apparently the US has no solid national stats on fatal police shootings, but the FBI law enforcement justifiable homicide stats are around 400/yr.

Probably a distinct underestimate, according to the Washington Post's database, it was more like 990 in 2015. Whichever figure you believe, the US has an astonishingly higher rate than other developed nations.

Average number of police killed in the line of duty in the UK each year: 3
Average number of police killed in the line of duty in the US each year (1990 to 2010): 164

[announced]

bodycams required for all cops, in every state/district. period. might help with the bullshit claims he pulled a knife on me so i was forced to shoot him 10x or whatever. or black people could stop carrying guns for a while maybe, who knows? not that i'm anti gun but being black and armed isnt always a good idea these days.

[Orange Joe]

UK fatal police shootings: 60 from 1990 - 2016. So about 2.3 per year. UK has about 1/5th the US population so if the UK rate was in the US it'd be 11/yr.
Australia fatal police shootings: 105 from 1989 to 2011. About 4.7 per year, about 1/13th the US, so adjusted rate 65/yr
Apparently the US has no solid national stats on fatal police shootings, but the FBI law enforcement justifiable homicide stats are around 400/yr.

Probably a distinct underestimate, according to the Washington Post's database, it was more like 990 in 2015. Whichever figure you believe, the US has an astonishingly higher rate than other developed nations.


http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2...uk-and-germany

(Using the Washington Post's numbers)

http://www.inquest.org.uk/statistics...lice-shootings
http://theconversation.com/shoot-to-...ustralia-34578
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.d90a8ab7395c
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc..._2009-2013.xls
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...ice-shootings/



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ted_death_rate

Firearm homicide rate: about 3.4 per 100k, note that this is specifically homicides. So that's about your 10k. If it included suicides it'd be 30k. I suspect you saw the homicide rate and didn't realise suicides had already been taken out of it.

You seem to be correct. Doesn't negate my point. Firearm deaths remain below 1% If we shouldn't do anything about police violence because it's below 1% why should we do anything about guns?

[Themius]

Typical people nowadays... You have the right to remain silent, but you are still legally compelled to comply with a lawful order by police. The right to remain silent is there to prevent self incrimination.

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Umm, no. /10char

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She wasn't charged, but that doesn't mean they couldn't have if they wanted to make an example of her.

Great post there. Saying um no really refuted the lawyer and the troopers boss who said that his troopers were wrong. Great job.

[TheMediator]

What does he have to be scared of? He's a well spoken, educated man who, doubtfully, owns a gun or has a laundry list of committed crimes under his name. Here is a thought. Don't commit a crime, and if you do, don't resist the police! Super crazy, I know.

If you read up on that last study that was making the rounds here, even if he's a "complicit citizen" in an encounter with police he's ~20% more likely to have force used against him than a white person.

Police brutality is totally a thing and blacks face it disproportionately more often than whites even controlling for suspect demeanor, the reported offence police are responding to, number of officers on the scene, etc.

It's a problem and its real. Killing cops may not be the answer but at least it's getting people talking about these issues rather than just sweeping them under the rug and ignoring a statistical significant trend in police response.