Paul Ryan: Democratic Party Moved 'Far Far Far To The Left'

[sheggaro]

I don't see how radical far right is a good thing either. And that there is in abundance.

Well they won't get elected anytime soon anyway

I've voted strictly Republican since the days of the man in my avatar himself (rip), but this election I'll vote for Clinton, because fuck that clown Trump. Reagan's turning in his grave, I'm sure.

[owbu]

Well to be fair it is kinda hard to know wether an object you are looking at is moving away from you or if you are moving yourself. So I guess I can see why he thinks that.

[Reeve]

I don't see how radical far right is a good thing either. And that there is in abundance.

I think the radical far right is a loud minority that's particularly energized this year, and they're just dragging the medium-right along for the ride.

Like my uncle is far from an extremist, but he's going to vote for Trump just because he can't stand Hillary. He knows Trump is awful. He just thinks Clinton is more awful.

[Damajin]

Paul Ryan is just doing his part to keep Team Red vs. Team Blue ideas firmly stuck in peoples' heads even as funcionally and philosophically they become one party.

[triplesdsu]

And? Is moving "far far far" to the left bad?

Definitely. Moving far to the left isnt any better than moving far to the right (which the republicans are guilty of). Like in most things, the best is to try and find common ground in the middle. That's what our government should be doing compared to the pissing contest we've had for the last several years.

[melodramocracy]

They all suckle the cocks of corporations, so they can't be that far to the left.

Exactly. Most democrats are actually what I'd consider closer to centrists.

[Stormspellz]

and thats what they said 20 years ago, and yet TTP, bank bailouts ect, Obama is the best conservative president in a generation when you factor in the do nothing congress

with each Republican primary its a race who can go the most to the right and then you have them saying this garbage.

Its sad after Ryan's "I was wrong" speech I kinda thought he may actually be a leader but now with this and few other things he's said/done that was a one of incident of conscious that won't be the norm.

[Xeones]

Definitely. Moving far to the left isnt any better than moving far to the right (which the republicans are guilty of). Like in most things, the best is to try and find common ground in the middle. That's what our government should be doing compared to the pissing contest we've had for the last several years.

What would moving far far far to the left mean for democrats?

One far would be center. Two fars would be center left. Three fars would be Left.

Still not as bad as republicans who are off the deep end.

[minteK917]

The Democrats are Center-Right. The Republicans have just gone batshit insane and became the far right.

Closer to the truth.

[Azadina]

I think the radical far right is a loud minority that's particularly energized this year, and they're just dragging the medium-right along for the ride.

Like my uncle is far from an extremist, but he's going to vote for Trump just because he can't stand Hillary. He knows Trump is awful. He just thinks Clinton is more awful.

Yeah, your candidates are such quality.... It's just bad and worse.

[PC2]

Still not as bad as republicans who are off the deep end.

You'll never get what you want with that attitude. It is just based off fear of the worst.

[sheggaro]

No shit, taxes pay for public benefits? Of course the majority of the country doesn't benefit from them, we're just now starting to get those things established. How do people who make decent money not benefit from free health care?

Easy, paying a couple hundred bucks a month is nothing compared to having your taxes raised by.. say 20% ?

That of course depends on your salary, in some cases it may actually be the opposite. But the more you earn the less you benefit from it and the more you actuallly suffer from it.

So essentially the for profit healthcare system rewards the successful, while what you propose punishes them.

[Felya]

Well to be fair it is kinda hard to know wether an object you are looking at is moving away from you or if you are moving yourself. So I guess I can see why he thinks that.

You should post more often.

[Jotaux]

The democrats are moving to the left?

A tip for Paul Ryan:

Put your hands out in front of you, palms facing away. Make and L shape with your thumb and index finger. The side that has the L facing the correct way is the left side.

[minteK917]

Easy, paying a couple hundred bucks a month is nothing compared to having your taxes raised by.. say 20% ?

To be fair other developed countries with universal healthcare have citizen wasting less money on health, so you got it backward. Literally 70-80% of the population paying their taxes is less then the amount spend visiting the doctor in their life time. While private insurances are fucking you deep in the butt instead for scraps.

The government run those thing with all possible funds, even at a loss. The insurance is there to make money. The private industry you work for is there to make money and simply take from your pay to get your insurances if they want to. Its just more expansive when its private, because they are in for the profit.

[sheggaro]

To be fair other developed countries with universal healthcare have citizen wasting less money on health, so you got it backward. Literally 70-80% of the population paying their taxes is less then the times they will visit the doctor in their life time. While private insurances are fucking you deep in the butt instead.

I don't see how this contradicts an easy to understand mathematical fact.

I mean I get that it's risky or outright bad for some people, no system is perfect. But I prefer this system, for the reasons mentioned above and they're true.

[Reeve]

The democrats are moving to the left?

A tip for Paul Ryan:

Put your hands out in front of you, palms facing away. Make and L shape with your thumb and index finger. The side that has the L facing the correct way is the left side.

Well if he's looking at the democrats and they're looking at him, if the Dems move to their own right, it would be moving to Ryan's left, so I guess it makes sense.

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I don't see how this contradicts an easy to understand mathematical fact.

If your company increases your pay by the amount that they were currently paying in health insurance, the increased tax rate won't hurt you all that bad. You may have slightly less take home pay than you had before, but you also never have to be wondering how you'll pay your healthcare costs when you're at your most vulnerable. Sounds like a deal to me.

[minteK917]

I don't see how this contradicts an easy to understand mathematical fact.

I mean I get that it's risky or outright bad for some people, no system is perfect. But I prefer this system, for the reasons mentioned above and they're true.

Because when my father had an open heart surgery, he could just wipe his butt with the 75k bill afterward, that was his taxes worth for decades lol (taxes for everything, not just healthcare.)

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Depends how often you actually need the healthcare as well. I do think if you wish to have your own insurance there should be some kind of opt out choice where you receive a decent tax deductible.

Thats a stupid system, wouldnt work because we would only begin to pay for it when we need it (being old) Which means its when we all make the less money, aside from being childs and students. Its always cheaper for the people when its public, simply because the government is really not after direct profit from the healthcare system. Hence youll always pay less for a public insurance then private one overall. Which is why US citizen pay more for healthcare then universal healthcare countries.

Its like public education, you cant opt in or out. Otherwise we all opt in when we are students, except we are poor and then we all opt out when we finally are on the working market. I mean the best system would be if you used the public system once, you cant opt out anymore. If you really have a choice, but 90+% of the population wont have a choice anyway. Because those public system help the citizen when hes at his poorest, thats why its social services.

[Azadina]

If your company increases your pay by the amount that they were currently paying in health insurance, the increased tax rate won't hurt you all that bad. You may have slightly less take home pay than you had before, but you also never have to be wondering how you'll pay your healthcare costs when you're at your most vulnerable. Sounds like a deal to me.

I think the usual thought is "nothing will happen to me, I won't need to spend few more coins for total coverage"

[Reeve]

I think the usual thought is "nothing will happen to me, I won't need to spend few more coins for total coverage"

Yeah I think people who object to the taxes don't realize that their salaries are already suppressed because companies look at the total cost of compensation for a person, not the headline rate. And then they also fail to factor in the cost of copays, deductibles, etc.