The I Just Had a Bad Game/RNG/Need To Vent Thread!

[Damajin]

I was playing in a Mage mirror with me as Tempo vs Casino Yogg and dominated the early game as I should while keeping threats going as he removed them. I don’t have Antonidas yet which is really hurting me and I’m having to sub some shitty cards in place of him. He got super lucky after burning his own Ice Block to get a 2nd one plus a Cabalist Tome from his own natural Tome.

Burning through Ice Blocks and Barrier was taking resources but I was still ahead and he dropped an 11 spell Yogg, the 1st spell he cast was Vanish not only slowing down my attacks but guaranteeing he’d be able to do it again. Yogg really helped this guy out a ton by giving him the 8 Armor druid spell so there’s more to burn through but I’m swinging and at 3 hp and me with 3 cards left in deck he Renos and at this point my only real hope is that the 2nd Yogg kills this guy for me.

I clear Reno and his other random minion and basically force him to drop Yogg and it looks like he might actually lose, Yogg makes him draw a ton and go into fatigue but then he does a bunch of burn to my face and I die to a Sinister Strike cast. Probably did over 100 damage to this guys face this game and still lost, actually wasn’t super salty about it except the Reno because it was so backbreaking, couldn’t have been a better time for that kid to play it against me.

[Twoddle]

1 million anecdotes still don't prove anything. You are seriously implying that blizzard has made this amazeballs piece of super intelligent coding that knows what counters your deck. The burden of proof rests on the affirmative. You are saying the system is rigged, I'm saying it's not. Prove it.

Well you can't really prove it's random either, that's an affirmative. Unknown matchmaking algorithm does not equal random, there doesn't have to be single line of random number generating code and we wouldn't know it, none of us are inside developers.

We already know that pack openings aren't random but quasirandom, that could apply to any aspect of assumed "randomness" within the game including matchmaking.

[Chuupag]

I understand what you are saying and are you honestly saying you have not noticed going on a little win streak then exact same deck facing the exact same decks going on a losing streak?
I honestly believe they are enforcing the 50% win rate through match ups/what cards are in your deck. I can't prove they are and you can't prove they aren't. I wouldn't go as far as to say they know how the rng of stuff will be but more if you play a freeze mage and it is your turn to lose a couple of games then you will get control warriors and see how it goes.

You know the man power it would take to really make a system like that? They would have to have armies of theorycrafters and programmers to figure out what combination of cards in your deck constitute the important pieces that need countering. Your argument is all well and good until you start diving into the logistics of it where it just falls apart as a ridiculously complex conspiracy theory.

[Zippoflames]

You know the man power it would take to really make a system like that? They would have to have armies of theorycrafters and programmers to figure out what combination of cards in your deck constitute the important pieces that need countering. Your argument is all well and good until you start diving into the logistics of it where it just falls apart as a ridiculously complex conspiracy theory.

Yet that still doesn't prove you right or wrong does it?

This is a company that has a couple of quid so logistics and man power is where Blizz can literally afford to do what they like..

As I said though I do think it seems quite far fetched but the amount of people who see these "coincidences" every day just can't all be wrong?
But I am happy to agree to disagree with you as we cannot prove either way what happens.

[Nikkaszal]

The tinfoil hats are out in force in this thread

[Chuupag]

Yet that still doesn't prove you right or wrong does it?

This is a company that has a couple of quid so logistics and man power is where Blizz can literally afford to do what they like..

As I said though I do think it seems quite far fetched but the amount of people who see these "coincidences" every day just can't all be wrong?
But I am happy to agree to disagree with you as we cannot prove either way what happens.

So other than I wasn't actually trying to prove anything...just pointing out the flaws in your reasoning...I'm just going to leave this here. No point in really discussing this anymore.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negativity_bias

[patseguin]

This is literally the same conversation that goes on in every Poker forum at least once a week.

"Guys, I think I figured it out! They let me win a few hands, and then they make me lose a few hands, and it's all to make sure that none of us actually go up in money and just keep passing it around to each other!!!!"

Well, correct me if I am wrong but poker is played by humans dealing physical cards. Unless of course you are talking about some online poker game.

[Twoddle]

This is literally the same conversation that goes on in every Poker forum at least once a week.

"Guys, I think I figured it out! They let me win a few hands, and then they make me lose a few hands, and it's all to make sure that none of us actually go up in money and just keep passing it around to each other!!!!"

Another theory is that they make "action flops" giving players pairs and flush draws so that the site gets more rake from the action.

Well, correct me if I am wrong but poker is played by humans dealing physical cards. Unless of course you are talking about some online poker game.

Online poker is huge, where have you been?

[Ausr]

I think everytime I play this fucking game, it gets worse and worse.

[patseguin]

Freeze/secret mage. IMO i played a perfectly game as rogue, even used a healbot, and didnt really clear more than one minion. still i got nuked down by a mage. its the most disgusting deck in hearthstone and have nothing to do with a board game.

I beg to differ. Freeze mage is a nice card game deck. Requires strategy and knowledge. Mill rogue on the other hand has no place in this game and makes me want to punch babies.

[Zippoflames]

I think its time to just call it a day, The game is so unfun when you draw into 7+mana cards in opening hand against zoo etc there is no swing both ways during a game anymore.

[Twoddle]

Problem is that most of the RNG is game swinging. If you win a 50/50 with Flame Juggler at the start of the game that is often the difference between winning and losing the entire game.

This game needs something extra like matches of first to three points with a doubling cube like Backgammon otherwise you're just playing Ludo.

[Ausr]

I can correctly predict all the random damage spells that happen in this week's brawl with 100% accuracy. Always me. Because that's 100% possible!

[patseguin]

Just played against a rogue as freeze mage. Dominating him and not taken any damage. I drop Alex and hit him with frost bolt and a couple lances and get him to 4 health. He drops Maly and somehow played 4 cards that brought me from 30 to -3. I hate this fucking game...

[Pantalaimon]

Just played against a rogue as freeze mage. Dominating him and not taken any damage. I drop Alex and hit him with frost bolt and a couple lances and get him to 4 health. He drops Maly and somehow played 4 cards that brought me from 30 to -3. I hate this fucking game...

More freeze mage games should end like this imo.

[patseguin]

More freeze mage games should end like this imo.

No class should be able to get you from 30-0 in a single turn. My problem was that I was cocky and hadn't played ice block.

[Pantalaimon]

No class should be able to get you from 30-0 in a single turn. My problem was that I was cocky and hadn't played ice block.

Freeze mage is famous for killing someone from 30-0 on a single turn, or 15-0 via Alexstrasza. I just think it is kind of interesting that it is okay for mages to cheaply kill someone, but not another class.

While I agree someone shouldn't be able to typically kill someone with 30 damage in one turn I also don't think a deck should be able to kill someone mostly through spells. No point in having a game where minions interact with each other if someone doesn't even need to attack once with a minion to win.

[patseguin]

Freeze mage is famous for killing someone from 30-0 on a single turn, or 15-0 via Alexstrasza. I just think it is kind of interesting that it is okay for mages to cheaply kill someone, but not another class.

While I agree someone shouldn't be able to typically kill someone with 30 damage in one turn I also don't think a deck should be able to kill someone mostly through spells. No point in having a game where minions interact with each other if someone doesn't even need to attack once with a minion to win.

I've played a lot of freeze mage and I've NEVER killed anyone in a single turn from full health. Never seen it done either.

[Pantalaimon]

I've played a lot of freeze mage and I've NEVER killed anyone in a single turn from full health. Never seen it done either.

Maybe a true 30-0 kill is rarely down (though still possible) a decent freeze mage player will have drawn out the game long enough to pretty much kill you in one turn. If Thaurassian merely ticks once on both Ice Lances and either both frost bolts or one frost bolt & Thalnos, comboed with 2 fireballs and you're looking at either 26 or 28 damage. If the mage player is not going against a warrior who can armor up all you need to make sure is that your opponent has taken a mere 2 or 4 damage (depending on what is comboed with Thaurassian) over 10+ turns and you win. While not a true 30-0 kill it basically is considering how requiring the opponent to have taken such a pitiful amount of damage before the combo is unleashed is hardly a pre requisite to win.

Either way I don't see why the complaint about a rogue combo deck beating a mage combo deck. Both are somewhat higher skill to play, but both take advantage of poor game design that allow a deck to kill an opponent by more or less bybassing the interaction between minions, except for the combo finisher. Freeze Mage is worse in that regard because outside of Doomsayer + Frost Nova you might as well not be using any minions. The interaction is that low.

[patseguin]

I wasn't complaining about him winning. I was complaining about 30-0 in a single turn. Who ever said these complaints had to be rational anyways?