PM is 'willing to listen to options' on Scotland

[Kalis]

The calculus in Scotland has changed as a result of the EU referendum, and in my opinion that 100% justifies a new Scottish Independence referendum.

I'm sorry UK, but there are consequences to your votes.

The Scottish Parliament derives its power from Westminster, they cannot act beyond their remit and their remit does not extend to independence.

No Government in Westminster ever has to allow a vote on Scottish independence unless it wants to.

[Deleted]

Either way it seems the SNP are unlikely to get their way till 2017. Would be curious though how many Scots want independence, a % of those that voted remain may also be against independence. Somewhat curious

[ranzino]

What makes you think Scotland won't have a voice?

Depends on the nature of such voice. Unless it's technically a veto chance, it's useless.

[Shadowmelded]

What are Holyrood going to do if they do not get permission from Westminster?

They cannot unilaterally declare secession as the UK could just turn around and state that any region which votes to stay can remain part of the UK, the UK would be in the right with every international body (including the EU) and the SNP would not want to go down as the party that split Scotland.

Westminster holds all the aces, the SNP needs to convince Westminster, which at the moment means Theresa May led Conservatives and her position is clear.

Yeah UDI would be terrible and would kill any chance of staying in or rejoining the EU due to Spain and others. The question isn't so much what Holyrood are going to do but what will Westminster. If they flat-out reject another referendum despite a pro-independence majority in Holyrood (and from what I've been seeing lately, the population as well) the political backlash would be awful and would only reinforce the independence movement.

What makes you think Scotland won't have a voice?

Experience. I mean if you think a Tory Government of all things is going to be favourable to Scotland then I don't know what to tell you.

[Kalis]

Depends on the nature of such voice. Unless it's technically a veto chance, it's useless.

Scotland should not get a veto, it would be ridiculous to let one region representing 6 million people have that much of a say over 65 million people.

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Yeah UDI would be terrible and would kill any chance of staying in or rejoining the EU due to Spain and others. The question isn't so much what Holyrood are going to do but what will Westminster. If they flat-out reject another referendum despite a pro-independence majority in Holyrood (and from what I've been seeing lately, the population as well) the political backlash would be awful and would only reinforce the independence movement.

The Tories will not give a toss about a political backlash in a region where they hold one (?) seat. Even if Labour win the next General Election, why would they care?

One of the problems with Scotland voting in the SNP to Westminster is that it no major party really needs to pay more attention to Scotland than its population merits.

[Shadowmelded]

The Tories will not give a toss about a political backlash in a region where they hold one (?) seat. Even if Labour win the next General Election, why would they care?

Because it plays badly internationally, especially if they have to, again, roll tanks into George Square.

[Kalis]

Because it plays badly internationally, especially if they have to, again, roll tanks into George Square.

Nobody is going to roll tanks into anywhere and nobody outside the UK gives a fuck about Scotland unless it benefits them.

[kamuimac]

I agree but it shouldn't be now it should be after BREXIT.

why ? so that scotish people suffer because of stupidity of other people ? just deal with your shit by yourselves without scotland and ireland (and possibly without london as there was idea to announce it independece too ;P)

[Kalis]

why ? so that scotish people suffer because of stupidity of other people ? just deal with your shit by yourselves without scotland and ireland (and possibly without london as there was idea to announce it independece too ;P)

Can you provide a link to where Northern Ireland wants to leave the UK please?

And if you provide a statement from Sinn Fein, prepare to have every person in the UK laugh at you.

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why ? so that scotish people suffer because of stupidity of other people ? just deal with your shit by yourselves without scotland and ireland (and possibly without london as there was idea to announce it independece too ;P)

The notion of London becoming independent is ridiculous. Should every region and city scream independence because something didn't go their way? We don't have to pander to Scotland's or I should say SNP wishes till we finish doing what's needed

[Shadowmelded]

Nobody is going to roll tanks into anywhere and nobody outside the UK gives a fuck about Scotland unless it benefits them.

Yeah the tank thing was tongue-in-cheek. Scotland staying in could benefit the EU though and there seems to be a fairly warm welcome being extended.

The notion of London becoming independent is ridiculous. Should every region and city scream independence because something didn't go their way? We don't have to pander to Scotland's or I should say SNP wishes till we finish doing what's needed

Comparing regions and cities to Scotland is pretty stupid and rather condescending. London isn't party to the Act of Union, neither are any other cities or regions.

[thilicen]

They should GTFO if they want to have their own say. Being forced into a referendum when the majority of your country voted against has got to suck.

[ranzino]

Scotland should not get a veto, it would be ridiculous to let one region representing 6 million people have that much of a say over 65 million people.

Not that sort of veto, just a "dont drag us out against our wishes" veto.

[Deleted]

We're talking about 62% of Scotland (who voted) wanting REMAIN, that leaves 38% voting LEAVE and an unknown % who didn't vote. Are the SNP confident that 62% want independence?

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[Aggrophobic]

Nobody is going to roll tanks into anywhere and nobody outside the UK gives a fuck about Scotland unless it benefits them.

But it would benefit the EU if Scotland "broke free" of the UK and stayed as a part of the EU.
You can be pretty sure that the EU is filled with butthurt people that would love to pick the UK apart. People are funny like that.

[Kalis]

Not that sort of veto, just a "dont drag us out against our wishes" veto.

The UK voted to leave, Scotland are part of the UK.

This whole "treat Scotland differently because reasons" is another example of giving unfair treatment to the rest of the UK in favour of Scotland.

Scotland has traditionally had more say within the Union than its population merits, even now the Scottish are overrepresented in Westminster at the expense of the English, plus there is the West Lothian question, where the Scots have a say on English matters but the English do not have a say on Scottish matters.

You will never hear calls for fair treament from Scotland, because they would lose out if it was ever implemented.

[Shadowmelded]

We're talking about 62% of Scotland (who voted) wanting REMAIN, that leaves 38% voting LEAVE and an unknown % who didn't vote. Are the SNP confident that 62% want independence?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cl0umhCWgAA_Q5q.jpg

That's including "don't knows", excluding them puts it at 65% Yes, 35% No.

The UK voted to leave, Scotland are part of the UK.

This whole "treat Scotland differently because reasons" is another example of giving unfair treatment to the rest of the UK in favour of Scotland.

Scotland has traditionally had more say within the Union than its population merits, even now the Scottish are overrepresented in Westminster at the expense of the English, plus there is the West Lothian question, where the Scots have a say on English matters but the English do not have a say on Scottish matters.

You will never hear calls for fair treament from Scotland, because they would lose out if it was ever implemented.

The SNP are in favour of an English Parliament, Scotland have less than 1% overrepresentation in Westminster and you've got Evel (which essentially bars any Scottish MP from ever becoming PM or holding high office).

[Deleted]

Scotland - 62%
London - 59%
N.Ireland - 55.8%

To me those numbers don't seem huge

[Kalis]

But it would benefit the EU if Scotland "broke free" of the UK and stayed as a part of the EU.
You can be pretty sure that the EU is filled with butthurt people that would love to pick the UK apart. People are funny like that.

People within the EU administration perhaps, but what EU Governments are going to want to take on a net recipient when a major net contributor has just left? Less money to go around and more to spend? Try flogging that to voters.

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cl0umhCWgAA_Q5q.jpg

That's including "don't knows", excluding them puts it at 65% Yes, 35% No.

is that accurate data?