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    3 desktops parts puzzle

    I currently have 3 desktops. One of them is in dire need of a GPU upgrade and one will be replaced completely. Thanks to help I got here I have my mind mostly set on what I want for them. I just got a message from a friend that offering some other GPUs though. Partlists are not complete, I did not include RAM and motherboards.

    Desktop 1

    PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

    CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.99 @ Amazon)
    CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.89 @ OutletPC)
    Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 970 4GB Twin Frozr V Video Card ($279.99 @ Newegg)
    Power Supply: Corsair RMx 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($99.99 @ Amazon)
    Total: $634.86
    Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
    Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-07-16 05:47 EDT-0400

    This one is fine as it is. It is not getting any upgrades. CPU is overclocked to 4.3ghz.

    Desktop 2

    PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

    CPU: Intel Core i3-4170 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor ($114.89 @ OutletPC)
    CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.89 @ OutletPC)
    Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97X-Gaming 5 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($130.15 @ Amazon)
    Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 750 1GB Video Card
    Power Supply: SeaSonic 520W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($65.99 @ SuperBiiz)
    Total: $335.92
    Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
    Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-07-16 06:16 EDT-0400

    For this computer I have a GTX 780 ti to replace the GPU (perhaps a little overkill, but it's basically a gift, so no complaints).

    Desktop 3

    This one does not exist yet. Thunderball made this list for me:

    CPU: Intel Pentium G3258 € 72,90
    Motherboard: MSI H81M-P3 € 43,90
    RAM: Kingston HyperX Savage - DDR3 € 37,90
    GPU: MSI N750Ti 2GD5/OCV1 € 117,90
    PSU: Corsair Builder Series CX430 € 48,90
    SSD: OCZ Trion 150 120GB € 52,90

    Total: € 374.4

    I'm able to get a GTX 770 off a friend for this instead. He has both the 2gb one and the 4gb one, but I'm almost certain the 2gb one will be fine. The PC is only for playing minecraft and office work. The PSU advised is not going to cut it, though. Thunderball advised me a 620W one instead.

    How can I make the best of this?

    TL;DR

    Desktop 1: i5-6600k + GTX 970
    Desktop 2: i3-4170 + GTX 780 ti
    Desktop 3 (not bought yet): Pentium G3258 + GTX 770 (or should I get another i3-4170 for this?)

    750W PSU
    520W PSU

    I own all PCs and can interchange parts between them. How can I make the best of this?
    Last edited by mmoc7be6787211; 2016-07-16 at 10:17 AM. Reason: added mobo for desktop 2

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    I say use i3-4170 for desktop 3 and buy a better processor for desktop 2 (Desk3 is a minecraft build right?). i3 wont be able to unlock full performance of the 780ti. You will need more than 430W 80+ Bronze for GTX 770, that's for sure. What's the mobo on Desk2 btw?

    EDIT: Also, 520W will not be enough for the 780ti on Desk2.
    Last edited by Thunderball; 2016-07-16 at 10:17 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderball View Post
    I say use i3-4170 for desktop 3 and buy a better processor for desktop 2 (Desk3 is a minecraft build right?). You will need more than 430W 80+ Bronze for GTX 770, that's for sure. What's the mobo on Desk2 btw?
    That seems like a good idea. It's a Gigabyte Z97X-Gaming 5. Editing OP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyonis View Post
    That seems like a good idea. It's a Gigabyte Z97X-Gaming 5. Editing OP.
    Yeah, definetely get an i5-4690K. With overclocking this build be competitive for a long time. You will likely need a 650W 80+ Gold PSU with it though.

    EDIT: I suggest trying your Seasonic 520W on Desk3 and check if it's enough. You are buying another one for your Desk2 anyway.
    Last edited by Thunderball; 2016-07-16 at 10:26 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderball View Post
    Yeah, definetely get an i5-4690K. With overclocking this build be competitive for a long time. You will likely need a 650W 80+ Gold PSU with it though.

    EDIT: I suggest trying your Seasonic 520W on Desk3 and check if it's enough. You are buying another one for your Desk2 anyway.
    That was about what I was thinking. The 520W one should work on the 3th desktop. If not, it does work on the first desktop, so I can always switch them around.

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    I'll give you a roundup of your PSU choices.

    EVGA SuperNova G2 620W € 125,90 This is theoretically the best one but seems overpriced. 650W 80+ Gold Full Modular.
    XFX XTR 650W € 108,00 Second best modular option. 650W 80+ Gold Full Modular.
    XFX TS 650W € 86,99 Cheapest quality non-modular option I could find on Azerty. 650W 80+ Gold. Has 4 8 pin PCIe additional power cords, so you should be good with any videocard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderball View Post
    I'll give you a roundup of your PSU choices.

    EVGA SuperNova G2 620W € 125,90 This is theoretically the best one but seems overpriced. 650W 80+ Gold Full Modular.
    XFX XTR 650W € 108,00 Second best modular option. 650W 80+ Gold Full Modular.
    XFX TS 650W € 86,99 Cheapest quality non-modular option I could find on Azerty. 650W 80+ Gold. Has 4 8 pin PCIe additional power cords, so you should be good with any videocard.
    You have some strange ideas regarding PSU's, you really don't need overpriced gold PSU's, a good bronze will do just as well, that seasonic 520w would do for any of the systems on this list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Denpepe View Post
    You have some strange ideas regarding PSU's, you really don't need overpriced gold PSU's, a good bronze will do just as well, that seasonic 520w would do for any of the systems on this list.
    Tell me now how are you going to run an i5 (possibly overclocked) with GTX 780Ti on a 520W 80+ Bronze PSU?

  9. #9
    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderball View Post
    Tell me now how are you going to run an i5 (possibly overclocked) with GTX 780Ti on a 520W 80+ Bronze PSU?
    You're paranoid with the PSU posts. i7-3960X@4.6GHz + GTX 780Ti in full stress mode draw 372W. It will work just fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hextor View Post
    You're paranoid with the PSU posts. i7-3960X@4.6GHz + GTX 780Ti in full stress mode draw 372W. It will work just fine.
    That's 500W without overclocking either. 780Ti even has a minumum PSU requirement of 600W.

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    Yeah, there's no point in talking to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderball View Post
    Tell me now how are you going to run an i5 (possibly overclocked) with GTX 780Ti on a 520W 80+ Bronze PSU?
    A good 520 watt bronze PSU should still deliver 520 watts...

    A 780 ti uses around 230 watts during gaming, overclocking will increase that a bit of course. But should still give enough headroom for an OCed i5.

    I do agree with the suggestion of putting the i3 in build 3 with the seasonic PSU. I would then also get a 4690k for build 2, with either a corsair RM550x (high end PSU) or a Cooler master GM G550M (mainstream PSU). You can have a look here for some more PSU suggestions.

    But what is the aim of the different builds? Might be the 4690k is overkill for what you aim to do with the build.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeara View Post
    A good 520 watt bronze PSU should still deliver 520 watts...

    A 780 ti uses around 230 watts during gaming, overclocking will increase that a bit of course. But should still give enough headroom for an OCed i5.

    I do agree with the suggestion of putting the i3 in build 3 with the seasonic PSU. I would then also get a 4690k for build 2, with either a corsair RM550x (high end PSU) or a Cooler master GM G550M (mainstream PSU). You can have a look here for some more PSU suggestions.

    But what is the aim of the different builds? Might be the 4690k is overkill for what you aim to do with the build.
    A 520 watt bronze PSU is rated for up to a maximum of at least 85% efficiency, which is ~442W. A quality PSU will have higher rail voltages, especially under load, maybe quieter, but that's about it. It's not that they are always worse in efficiency but generally under load the efficiency drops faster than their more quality siblings.

    I believe he wants to build from Azerty. Corsair RMx are good PSUs, but hella overpriced. The only Cooler Master PSUs since Real Power series (I have one on my E8400 old build, still is in good shape) worth noting are V/VS series (maybe G series for budget build). Some of the PSUs listed there are far from quality, but majority are pretty good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderball View Post
    A 520 watt bronze PSU is rated for up to a maximum of at least 85% efficiency, which is ~442W.
    You really need to read up on PSU's....

    A good 500 Watt bronze PSU with an 85% efficiency will always give 500 watt to the computer, but it will pull 590 watt out of the socket. The efficiency has to do with how much power the PSU transfers to the computer.

    To make it even simpler, lets say we have a 100 watt PSU. If the efficiency would be 100%, the PSU would give 100 watt to the computer. With an efficiency of 85, it would 85 watts etc.

    Here is more info.
    Last edited by mmoc24391763c2; 2016-07-16 at 02:39 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeara View Post
    You really need to read up on PSU's....

    A good 500 Watt bronze PSU with an 85% efficiency will always give 500 watt to the computer, but it will pull 590 watt out of the socket. The efficiency has to do with how much power the PSU transfers to the computer.

    To make it even simpler, lets say we have a 100 watt PSU. If the efficiency would be 100%, the PSU would give 100 watt to the computer. With an efficiency of 85, it would 85 watts etc.

    Here is more info.
    Right, my bad. This changes nothing though: 520W is not enough, especially with overclocking.

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    I've just told you an overclocked X79 6-core power hungry i7-3960X plus GTX 780Ti in stress test draws 372W from the wall...
    Talking to a wall: the thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hextor View Post
    I've just told you an overclocked X79 6-core power hungry i7-3960X plus GTX 780Ti in stress test draws 372W from the wall...
    Talking to a wall: the thread.
    i7-3960X, GTX 780Ti. Looks like 470.

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    You're basically trolling at this point, adding up total system power draw of a test bench with Radeon 5870 with a separate 780Ti roflmao.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hextor View Post
    You're basically trolling at this point, adding up total system power draw of a test bench with Radeon 5870 with a separate 780Ti roflmao.
    System power draw is CPU+MoBo. HD 5870 has 144W average power consumption, are you suggesting the Extreme processor is consuming 65W in full load?

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    I'm only getting confused now. The goal of the first two desktops is gaming. Wow on ultra settings and running other games on high. The second is just a minecraft + office computer.

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