Terrorist attack in Nice France

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Spreading misinformation like that Dajil is irresponsible and dangerous.

A man can have a "come to God" experience in about 30 minutes. Next he calls up the truck rental company.

Obama called Isis a criminal group.
Are you saying he engaged in misinformation as well when he said that?

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Oh and hubcap if youre talking about religion playing less a part in recruiting than maybe inform yourself before talking.

[Forogil]

I think the religion employed by criminal groups is only a tool to recruit desperate people. Plus from latest reports, it looks as if religion play less a part in recruitment than for example lack of opportunities and jobs in the areas under Isis control.

Possibly for recruitment in the region - but clearly not for recruitment from outside the region.
Saying that religion - or similar ideologies are only tools misses important facts.

Consider that "Aryan brotherhood" is an organized crime gang. To ignore the white supremacy part or say that it is only a recruitment tool wouldn't make sense - but neither does it make sense to only claim that they are white supremacist ignoring the crime-part. It's the same with Isis and their religion.

I think the final S stands for Syria? Wouldnt know though.

al-Sham or Syria - it seems that Isis didn't use the name Syria themselves; and now have dropped it in their growing aspirations.

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Obama called Isis a criminal group.
Are you saying he engaged in misinformation as well when he said that?

Obama likely meant that they are not a state - but a criminal group. Both states and groups can be religious.

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Possibly for recruitment in the region - but clearly not for recruitment from outside the region.
Saying that religion - or similar ideologies are only tools misses important facts.

Consider that "Aryan brotherhood" is an organized crime gang. To ignore the white supremacy part or say that it is only a recruitment tool wouldn't make sense - but neither does it make sense to only claim that they are white supremacist ignoring the crime-part. It's the same with Isis and their religion.


al-Sham or Syria - it seems that Isis didn't use the name Syria themselves; and now have dropped it in their growing aspirations.

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Obama likely meant that they are not a state - but a criminal group. Both states and groups can be religious.

Well... Tunisia for example:

Tunisia is an attractive jihadi recruitment ground for three reasons. The country’s prisons are at 138.9 percent of capacity, and those incarcerated for terrorism are placed in close quarters with other prisoners, where radicalization is common.

Second, although Tunisia is a Muslim-majority country, secularism is strictly enforced under the new democratically elected government, as it was for decades before under former President Zine El Abidine Ben Ali. This strict secularism policy has left many religious Tunisians with no alternative but to join extremist groups like ISIS, since they are the only groups that represent a faith-based ideology.

In an interview with the Council on Foreign Relations Tunisian Prime Minister Habib Essid said, “Some of [the extremists] they think that through jihad they can go to paradise and things like that.” But, according to the prime minister, the most common and significant factor drawing Tunisians to ISIS are “economic reasons. They didn’t have jobs ... They couldn’t have a normal life.”

Same has been reported from Syria and Iraq

Analysts and U.S. officials estimate ISIS has as many as 10,000 fighters in Iraq and Syria, including those who were freed from prisons by ISIS and Sunni loyalists who have joined the fight as the group advanced.
But that number likely doesn't include these latest recruits, mostly young men between the ages of 16 and 25 who are primarily poor, unemployed and lack an education, the two Iraqi senior defense officials told CNN.
"Once they are in, (ISIS) gives them cars to drive, guns, cell phones and cash money," said one man, who lives in Mosul and has direct knowledge of ISIS recruit efforts.
In Mosul, for example, ISIS recruiting efforts appear to begin at information centers that have been set up around the city.
Pictures of the centers posted online purportedly by ISIS claim to show militants, many dressed head-to-toe in black, distributing leaflets, videos and CDs about their operations to men and boys.

Religion serves a purpose but only brings you so far. People need to eat. And religion doesn't help with that.

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playing dumb i see, well those peoples were under heavy surveillance for months there isn't a need for mind reading device what is needed is a law that authorize the police to take them and deport them

Heavy surveillance doesn't mean they have hard evidence. And if they do, they probably hope to get the ring leaders rather than the obvious idiot foot soldiers. Intelligence is a bit more complicated than your 2bit logic.

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Heavy surveillance doesn't mean they have hard evidence. And if they do, they probably hope to get the ring leaders rather than the obvious idiot foot soldiers. Intelligence is a bit more complicated than your 2bit logic.

Which is funny considering how the ring leaders probably act from very safe countries like saudi arabia and qatar

[downnola]

Not only do they pay young men salaries to join and fight, but they also subsidise their families. There's no question a good deal of them are pious Salafist-jihadists, however, most of their power comes from their ability to pay people an income. Their ability to globally recruit people to their ranks or to inspire lone wolf attacks comes from their massive social media propaganda campaign. They're able to convince religiously devout and mentally unstable alike to carry out attacks or fly to the middle east to join their cause. The best thing we could do to combat them is to cut through their noise and launch an information campaign of our own.

We desperately need to debunk their conspiratorial and bigoted propaganda and show how these scumbags only view their potential recruits as disposable and useful idiots. All we're doing now is playing into their hands and proving their point. Their ultimate goal is to make the west hate and declare war on Islam, eventually leading to a showdown in Mesopotamia that will usher in the apocalypse. With the sudden rise of the alt-right, it appears to be working.

[Independent voter]

Not only do they pay young men salaries to join and fight, but they also subsidise their families. There's no question a good deal of them are pious Salafist-jihadists, however, most of their power comes from their ability to pay people an income. Their ability to globally recruit people to their ranks or to inspire lone wolf attacks comes from their massive social media propaganda campaign. They're able to convince religiously devout and mentally unstable alike to carry out attacks or fly to the middle east to join their cause. The best thing we could do to combat them is to cut through their noise and launch an information campaign of our own.

We desperately need to debunk their conspiratorial and bigoted propaganda and show how these scumbags only view their potential recruits as disposable and useful idiots. All we're doing now is playing into their hands and proving their point. Their ultimate goal is to make the west hate and declare war on Islam, eventually leading to a showdown in Mesopotamia that will usher in the apocalypse. With the sudden rise of the alt-right, it appears to be working.

In addition becoming a martyr for the Caliphate will redeem you. Apparently redemption under Islam is nearly impossible outside of becoming a martyr. You can see why ISIS appeals to people who lived borderline criminal lives, martyrdom is the only way for them to get into heaven.

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In addition becoming a martyr for the Caliphate will redeem you. Apparently redemption under Islam is nearly impossible outside of becoming a martyr. You can see why ISIS appeals to people who lived borderline criminal lives, martyrdom is the only way for them to get into heaven.

Yes I'm sure redemption plays an important part when you can't feed your family.

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Not only do they pay young men salaries to join and fight, but they also subsidise their families. There's no question a good deal of them are pious Salafist-jihadists, however, most of their power comes from their ability to pay people an income. Their ability to globally recruit people to their ranks or to inspire lone wolf attacks comes from their massive social media propaganda campaign. They're able to convince religiously devout and mentally unstable alike to carry out attacks or fly to the middle east to join their cause. The best thing we could do to combat them is to cut through their noise and launch an information campaign of our own.

We desperately need to debunk their conspiratorial and bigoted propaganda and show how these scumbags only view their potential recruits as disposable and useful idiots. All we're doing now is playing into their hands and proving their point. Their ultimate goal is to make the west hate and declare war on Islam, eventually leading to a showdown in Mesopotamia that will usher in the apocalypse. With the sudden rise of the alt-right, it appears to be working.

You're right. Funnily enough, this is what all major organised crime does. They pay welfare give jobs and pay pensions.

[Forogil]

ISIS is how they call themselves.

Even I knew that they don't call themselves Isis anymore. They changed the name to just IS - when they got bigger ambitions - and named their leader "caliph".

Others still call them Isis, Isil, or Daesh - depending on how much they want to insult them. (Isis and Isil are just different translations, I thought there was some previous name change - but it wasn't between Isis and Isil, but from Isi to Isis/Isil when they expanded north.)

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Which is funny considering how the ring leaders probably act from very safe countries like saudi arabia and qatar

Um, try the same with cell leaders. And yes, any information they can get about the people in Saudi Arabia or Quatar is very useful, too. Remember, the best weapon we have is still shutting down their financial support.

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Um, try the same with cell leaders. And yes, any information they can get about the people in Saudi Arabia or Quatar is very useful, too. Remember, the best weapon we have is still shutting down their financial support.

I dont think we are able to do much once the link gets in saudi arabia and qatar considering we have been supporting them blindly for the last donkey years.

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I dont think we are able to do much once the link gets in saudi arabia and qatar considering we have been supporting them blindly for the last donkey years.

Perhaps starting to put pressure on Saudi Arabia and their neighbours would be a good first step towards a solution?

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Perhaps starting to put pressure on Saudi Arabia and their neighbours would be a good first step towards a solution?

oh totally.

[Independent voter]

oh totally.

Could you go into detail Djalil? It's such a brief answer. Why? Do you know anything about the issue?


Nice terror killer Mohamed Lahouaiej Bouhlel 'used dating sites to pick up men and women'

Only one way to get back into God's good graces after that.

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Could you go into detail Djalil? It's such a brief answer. Why?

Because I agree with the guy and I have nothing else to add.

[zenkai]

Looks like the detained 2 more people over the weekend, it will be interesting once they figure this all out. I doubt this was simply a lone wolf, we will see

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Not only do they pay young men salaries to join and fight, but they also subsidise their families. There's no question a good deal of them are pious Salafist-jihadists, however, most of their power comes from their ability to pay people an income. Their ability to globally recruit people to their ranks or to inspire lone wolf attacks comes from their massive social media propaganda campaign. They're able to convince religiously devout and mentally unstable alike to carry out attacks or fly to the middle east to join their cause. The best thing we could do to combat them is to cut through their noise and launch an information campaign of our own.

We desperately need to debunk their conspiratorial and bigoted propaganda and show how these scumbags only view their potential recruits as disposable and useful idiots. All we're doing now is playing into their hands and proving their point. Their ultimate goal is to make the west hate and declare war on Islam, eventually leading to a showdown in Mesopotamia that will usher in the apocalypse. With the sudden rise of the alt-right, it appears to be working.

If it ever gets that far (unlikely) it'll be ok, they'll get slaughtered.

[Wildtree]

Why is everyone so hardwired on an jihadist/Daesh type of terror attack?

As it stands, the whole thing looks a lot more as a fucking asshole losing his shit, then snapping and committing a mass murder.

[Forogil]

Why is everyone so hardwired on an jihadist/Daesh type of terror attack?

As it stands, the whole thing looks a lot more as a fucking asshole losing his shit, then snapping and committing a mass murder.

No, based on current evidence that is no longer likely. Originally that was one possibility - but even then the fact that he was shooting people from the truck seemed odd if he was just snapping. (Where did he get the weapons? Remember that this isn't the US.)

With current evidence it is really unlike - since he messaged someone about more weapons, his family got about 100k € (even if he was practically broke), and that he was planning the attacks the days before. These are all indications that it was planned with some help from others, not just someone snapping.

[Wildtree]

No, based on current evidence that is no longer likely. Originally that was one possibility - but even then the fact that he was shooting people from the truck seemed odd if he was just snapping. (Where did he get the weapons? Remember that this isn't the US.)

With current evidence it is really unlike - since he messaged someone about more weapons, his family got about 100k € (even if he was practically broke), and that he was planning the attacks the days before. These are all indications that it was planned with some help from others, not just someone snapping.

Can still be only retaliation against the system itself.
His life was falling apart on him.
That, combined with his anger problems, might have lead to this.
Snapping doesn't mean a spontaneous impulse reaction on the fly. He could have lost his shit weeks earlier, and got on his war path from there on out.

Can it still be a jihad inspired terror attack? Yes, of course.
But the probability for it just isn't ironclad at all so far.