Are Millennials Hopelessly Naive

[nanook12]

So what you're saying OP is that millennials are naive for:
-not wanting corrupt cops
-not wanting corrupt politicians
-wishing for an end to racism.
And you're saying that they should, instead of trying to fix these issues, just give up and be obedient little slaves and accept that corruption and racism "just are"? Like you?

With that attitude, we'd still be living in the Middle Ages.

Yes, that is exactly what i am saying. We can reduce corrupt cops and politicians and we can reduce racism, but millennials saying that ALL corruption and racism should end is very naive. Corruption and racism will always exist. Asking for their complete abolishment is simply out of touch with reality.

[Steve French]

This is a human attribute, not a millennial attribute.

Is it though? I disagree.

[GennGreymane]

Well as a millenial (born 1992), I dont believe that. I dont think theres a common thread that joins us all together.

Oh and people arent equal. Some are better than others and some will always be better than others. Trying to force equality just leads to an authoritarian dictatorship and thats not good for anyone.

you are aware the equality is meant to be under the law right?

[klogaroth]

Whenever I hear someone talking about people who put forward genuinely viable improvements to the world or to society as hopelessly naive I just imagine Archimedes the owl from Sword in the Stone laughing at Merlin and saying that man will never fly.

Injustices are going to exist is not the attitude that reduces injustice. We should do everything we can to prevent injustice is the attitude that achieves something. This is the attitude that's actually more common than a belief in saintly goodness. Something which outside of a small handful of people isn't really a thing.

[Ettan]

They will mature eventually. Reality tends to be rather hard to abolish.

[khazmodan]

So what you're saying OP is that millennials are naive for:
-not wanting corrupt cops
-not wanting corrupt politicians
-wishing for an end to racism.
And you're saying that they should, instead of trying to fix these issues, just give up and be obedient little slaves and accept that corruption and racism "just are"? Like you?

With that attitude, we'd still be living in the Middle Ages.

the choice is either racism with less corruption or no racism and more corruption. pick your poison because either one could start a civil war...

[Steve French]

Whenever I hear someone talking about people who put forward genuinely viable improvements to the world or to society as hopelessly naive I just imagine Archimedes the owl from Sword in the Stone laughing at Merlin and saying that man will never fly.

Injustices are going to exist is not the attitude that reduces injustice. We should do everything we can to prevent injustice is the attitude that achieves something. This is the attitude that's actually more common than the belief in saintly goodness. Something which outside of a small handful of people isn't really a thing.

"Genuinely viable improvements"? Like what? All I see are complaints and insults coming from judgemental self-righteous children that have no real life experience.

[Shadowmelded]

I think the term you're looking for is idealists. A refreshing change from jaded cynicism and apathy.

All I see are complaints and insults coming from judgemental self-righteous children that have no real life experience.

[Daneman]

That doesn't change what I said in any way, in case you didn't notice.

Additionally, it was the old racist seniors who voted for Brexit because they were against immigration.
Similar to how it's the old racist seniors fighting to put Trump into office.

Brexit and trump are good things. Not sure why you think it's negative.

[klogaroth]

"Genuinely viable improvements"? Like what? All I see are complaints and insults coming from judgemental self-righteous children that have no real life experience.

Like marriage equality for example.

Something that was campaigned for for years. People didn't sit back and say "oh well, that's how it is, things suck and things will always suck so why bother?"
They actually did something about it.

They weren't expecting everyone to suddenly rush out and declare homophobia to be over, instead people saw something that could be improved and campaigned for it. A realistic, achievable goal. It's not just a millennial cause, but then very few causes are monogenerational.

[Garnier Fructis]

Is it though? I disagree.

It is. /10char

[PC2]

I'm a self-hating millennial, I think too many of us are over-entitled. Not all generational cohorts are equal.

[Xar226]

If we can't have perfection we shouldn't work to improve things?

Congratulations: You've ended all human progress in every area. I'd rather deal with "hopelessly naive" millennials than you any day of the week.

[Leodok]

racism should be completely abolished from all humans ever

So you think it shouldn't?

Injustices are still going to exist, human beings are going to mess up from time to time, and people are still going to be assholes. Don't fight it accept it.

Yep, let's just accept racism, accept corruption, accept sexism. Those are not problems at all.

Brexit and trump are good things. Not sure why you think it's negative.

Seriously?

[nanook12]

They will mature eventually. Reality tends to be rather hard to abolish.

^Exactly...

[Steve French]

So you think it shouldn't?


Yep, let's just accept racism, accept corruption, accept sexism. Those are not problems at all.


Seriously?

You're trying too hard.

[Korlok]

This is a human attribute, not a millennial attribute.

As evidenced by these forums on a constant basis.

[nanook12]

I think the term you're looking for is idealists. A refreshing change from jaded cynicism and apathy.

Yes, millennials are too idealistic. Their views need to be more flexible.

[PC2]

So you think it shouldn't?

Not through force, free expression is more important. For example I would rather hear what BLM has to say than try to silence them.

[Mihalik]

Yes, that is exactly what i am saying. We can reduce corrupt cops and politicians and we can reduce racism, but millennials saying that ALL corruption and racism should end is very naive. Corruption and racism will always exist. Asking for their complete abolishment is simply out of touch with reality.

What you are saying makes no sense. Literally.

You either refuse to tolerate racism and corruption, or you don't. There is no -X amount of racism and corruption is acceptable.

I mean 10 racist police shootings or beatings are OK...but the 11th should be prosecuted to the maximum extent of the law. Or how does this imaginary world of yours work?