The Western world lacks leaders you actually want to follow?

[Tijuana]

You know, someone you can rally behind in bad times? Someone that actually has a vision for the Western world and it's societies? Not someone that simply reacts to events (and often also poorly)

There arent any in Europe and neither will there be one in the US any time soon (no matter who wins).
It's kinda depressing really, I think we could really use one or more in the years to come.

What do you think?

If we had one, we would dig up tiny things about them and say they suck.

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Interesting, but in that case yeah, there's no leader in the west I'd follow besides maybe Sanders.

It must hurt that he couldn't beat the most corrupt politician in modern history, who probably only tells the truth when ordering her dinner.

[Raidosounds]

He is not a leader, though.

How is he not? He made a huge movement happen in the youth of USA. He may not have been elected for the democratic party but that doesn't take away the fact that he is a leader...

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You know, someone you can rally behind in bad times? Someone that actually has a vision for the Western world and it's societies? Not someone that simply reacts to events (and often also poorly)

There arent any in Europe and neither will there be one in the US any time soon (no matter who wins).
It's kinda depressing really, I think we could really use one or more in the years to come.

What do you think?

Europe has been catastrophic for a while in terms of leaders. We used to have politicians that could think with a mind of their own till the 80's or 90's. Since then it has been a streak of buffoons across most of Europe... Blair Cameron? Berlusconi Renzi? Sarkozy Hollande? *shiver*

[Raidosounds]

It must hurt that he couldn't beat the most corrupt politician in modern history, who probably only tells the truth when ordering her dinner.

Well it saddens me on what the USA is going to have to face the next 4-8 years...

[SupBrah]

At the moment? Yeah. Bernie was promising and showed a lot of potential but the country didn't feel the same so /shrug

Ehh. Bernie reeally only appealed to the lily-white millennial demographic, let's be honest. A democrat has no chance in hell with the HORRIBLE minority numbers Bernie had.

[Venant]

Ehh. Bernie reeally only appealed to the lily-white millennial demographic, let's be honest. A democrat has no chance in hell with the HORRIBLE minority numbers Bernie had.

Well the good news is, after several days of studying polls and focus group testing, Hillary Clinton has taken the bold position that murdering police officers is a bad thing.

[Tijuana]

Well it saddens me on what the USA is going to have to face the next 4-8 years...

These are the two worst candidates in history. And they are both clearly more fit for office than Bernie, flaws and all.

[araine]

Very true. Which is one major reason Obama has failed as a President in my opinion.

Exactly he has not been liberal enough and embraced the trickle down economy to much we know we know,

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He represented the Free World.
Opening a part of the World up, which was at that time representative to oppression and lack of progress.
That was extra ordinary, and very positive.
JFK's Western accomplishments are factually limited to showing solidarity with Germany, and the establishment of the "air bridge" into West Berlin.
But if you weren't either American or German, JFK was of very little significance to you.

Gorbachov represented a free world? I guess if you are American or German you love him. Considering he sold out his country and his people and left Germany. Leaving Germany was the right call though, but only if USA would have left too.

Also then you say JFK is of very little significance, unless you are American... Well, JFK was one of the greats of the last century. He tried to end the FED, something nobody else attempted since. He was for the people and for America. In contrast to Gorbachov who sold out his country.

[Ivanstone]

He is the most divisive President ever. Without his blind followers, his approval rating would be dismal.

Oh goody the opinion game. Let me try one:

"Without people blindly assuming that he's a secret facist muslim socialist who wants to destroy the REAL AMERICA, his approval rating would be record breaking."

To some playing the race card is divisive. To others its a simple reminder that a deck of cards has 52 different cards.

[Gilbergrape]

Feminism killed the west: pussy whipped men and women only concerning about their feelings made the decline happen.
But pointing this out usually leads to a lot of heat.

[Tijuana]

Exactly he has not been liberal enough and embraced the trickle down economy to much we know we know,

What does Obama have to do with supply side economics? If anything, the reason every single one of his proposed budgets was thrown in the trash without a congressional vote, was that he wanted to go full on Chairman Mao. This includes the two years where his party had total control. Even they were like, damn dude we can't be passing that shit.

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Gorbachov represented a free world? I guess if yo uare American or German you love him. Considering he sold out his country and his people and left Germany. Leaving Germany was the right call though, but only if USA would have left too.

Also then you say JFK is of very little significance, unless yo aure American... Well, JFK was one of the greats of the last century. He tried to end the FED, something nobody else attempted since. He was for the people and for America. In contrast to Gorbachov who sold out his country.

I love it when people think someone is brave for doing something no one else does, when really it's just because it's a stupid fucking idea.

JFK is over rated among US Democrats and under rated by US Republicans (he would run big R today). But that one idea was dumb as fuck.

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What does Obama have to do with supply side economics? If anything, the reason every single one of his proposed budgets was thrown in the trash without a congressional vote, was that he wanted to go full on Chairman Mao. This includes the two years where his party had total control. Even they were like, damn dude we can't be passing that shit.

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I love it when people think someone is brave for doing something no one else does, when really it's just because it's a stupid fucking idea.

JFK is over rated among US Democrats and under rated by US Republicans (he would run big R today). But that one idea was dumb as fuck.

Please tell me how ending the FED is a dumb idea? Tell me one benefit the FED gives to American society.

[Reeve]

Was that the one guy in the last 2500 years that actually just gave away all his power when it was no longer needed?
Or did they just write that about him because he had all the power and the people loved him and writhing anything else would mean the person writing it would die?

In any case, too much power in the hands of one person is not a good idea.

Such powerful people willingly gave up power in Roman history many times before Caesar.

And certainly Washington did so, and arguably most of the other former presidents of the US.

[Tijuana]

Please tell me how ending the FED is a dumb idea? Tell me one benefit the FED gives to American society.

The most stable financial system in the world that lead to us being the world currency? A system so stable that we literally borrow money at 0%? Our system is so stable, we don't even need to pay interest to borrow. Think about that. But you would have us emulate who? Greece?

The Fed serves several vital functions. The only reason tin foil hatters get mad, is that a lot of what they do is secret, since telling everyone what they do causes the markets to freak out. But the info isn't secret to everyone; have some trust in your church...err...government.

[GennGreymane]

Oh goody the opinion game. Let me try one:

"Without people blindly assuming that he's a secret facist muslim socialist who wants to destroy the REAL AMERICA, his approval rating would be record breaking."

To some playing the race card is divisive. To others its a simple reminder that a deck of cards has 52 different cards.

all presidents are divisive by definition, I mean.... its not like any president was unanimously voted for in recent years.

[The Penguin]

The problem with the West, summed up, is moral decay.

Removing the religion that founded the society from the equation, altering the way history is taught to hide that fact, and while systematically allowing other faiths to ridicule it ala the Athiests at Christmas with Hate Signs and Satanists with their idiotic statue, and you have a recipe for Moral Decay. One group is told "No" but the other groups get a rubber stamp for things that should also be given in the sake of justice and equality a "No" as well.

When we start protecting Christians the same way that we bend over backwards for LBGT, Athiests, Muslims and so on? It might work. No? You want to keep going this way? Ok. Be ready for a very serious push-back about 10-15 years down the road. That too happens in this country every century or so.

Washington even stated it straight up "Man cannot govern without God and the Bible." He wasn't saying it for his health. He was pointing out that that it was the lynchpin that kept moral decay out. Removing it or really any a system of morality from the equation makes a vacuum and that is where we stand now.

Fortunately I think people are getting sick of this shit to the point that they intend to do something about it.

People are good about cleaning it up when it crosses a threshold, and the Cop shootings seem to be that threshold.

TLDR: Everything you think you know, or are testing in the crucible of democracy, has already been tested by far better educated men; and if you were not ignorant to what they discovered and learned history you would find that more often than not, they found what was progressive to actually be regressive.

An example of this is African Americans voting Democrat, when that was the party that was pro-slavery.
Another example is that no one realizes that our fight with ISIS is a repeat in many ways of the Barbary Wars.

[May90]

Well, there was one, Adolf...

[Venant]

all presidents are divisive by definition, I mean.... its not like any president was unanimously voted for in recent years.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...s-9180814.html

Kim Jong Un won with 100% of the vote, and that's pretty amazing considering 100% of the population voted.

[GennGreymane]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...s-9180814.html

Kim Jong Un won with 100% of the vote, and that's pretty amazing considering 100% of the population voted.

damn son.... he is certainly a leader that we should all follow.