I really don't get the pessimistic view on StM. Two options here:
1) StM will be nerfed to be in line with other dps. This will make LotV a competitive option again.
2) StM won't be nerfed. The good shadow priests will be top dps in most fights, after some training.
Either way I will be happy. The only thing that worries me is the various hardware gimmicks that may flourish to optimize StM (and maybe the bans). But my bet is that it will be nerfed anyway.
You forgot option: 3) Shadow is balanced around StM, does medicore damage with it, and any fight where StM is unreliable or unusable (there will be plenty) we suck shit.
If StM gets nerfed, you better believe LoTV isn't getting buffed. This will make LoTV 'competitive', but not shadow priests themselves.
Some of you guys misunderstand what's going on.
LotV IS COMPETITIVE, it's just not as competitive as StM. StM however has its downsides, but those currently don't outweigh its benefits. But again, this does not mean that LotV is not viable. My Ursoc kill video is a prime example of this. I use LotV and am 3rd on the meters, only topped by a demon hunter (I think) and a enhancement shaman.
hehehe they didn't even had the time to update the class preview they linked in the release patch notes. It looks like some intern edited it in less than 1 minute. It mentions Void Flay or Void Blast and Void Form instead of Void Eruption.
Sad Story but exactly how much work has gone into shadow in the past several weeks.
I'm not saying the spec sucks. Shadow sure is viable and fun in some situations. I've just had great 3s games and survivability is so much better with the template change.
BUT the spec would have needed SO MUCH more work.
What exactly?
- PvP talents are still a mess. No choice at all.
- AoE especially in Dungeons is a joke.
- StM will be a mess to balance and it is hated by a big amount of players.
- Players with latency or fps problems can't play shadow without major DPS disadvantages.
- Talents like Mania, Mind Spike or Void Ray seem poorly designed.
- The spec feels incomplete without Legendaries, Set Bonus and artifact.
- Sphere of Insanity should be redesigned.
The only changes we wil get at this point until 7.1 are nerfs.
I predict a major 20% VT and SWP nerf.
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A talent that actualy kills you in 100% of all times, is plain stupid and should not exist.
If the Talent is overpowered or underwhelming does not matter at this point.
Especially when some OTHER Classes can do that without beeing a suicide bomber...
Not including the stupid waste of food.. well after WoD they must implement a gold/time sink, right?
Also we have to include Post #9095, Shadow will be very hard to play top level with some hardware / connection.
Last edited by Nokami; 2016-07-18 at 09:33 PM.
Well you're surely being sarcastic, because it's actually the truth Do you think people run StM every dungeon they do? Do you think people run StM every world boss they do? Uhm - no.
And yet Shadow Priest still do competitive DPS with LotV.
"What Angelo?! You're lying! StM is the only thing that's competitive!!"
No. LotV is perfectly competitive. Sure - it's not where it should be, and it definitely needs some improvement, but competitive nonetheless
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And I completely understand that my friend, but you can't use that reasoning in practice, because that's not how it works.
You wouldn't use StM "just because you could be 2nd in DPS with it" in a Dungeon Boss that's dead within about 3 minutes, maybe even 2. The cons in that situation simply outweigh the pros, and LotV actually is more beneficial to you. Sure, POTENTIALLY speaking you may be lower on DPS, but you won't die, you won't run around for the next 10 minutes without a usable 100 talent, and above all else: you'll save yourself and your group time.
Do you get where I'm coming from now?
And apologies in advance if I sound aggresive. That's certainly not indended!
You're using the word 'competitive' where you should be using 'viable', I think.
In a simple TL;DR , what's our status right now going into Legion? Some people say we are at the bottom Leveling wise and it's hard as hell.