Do you think american cops are starting to feel what the black community feels?

[Aeriedk]

The cops being racist against blacks is a seriously made up thing, There are stats and studies to prove cops arnt targeting or even shooting blacks more than whites.

A lot of studies on this very topic are underway based on the most recent events.

However a study was released saying there was a heavy racial bias of non-lethal force.

An Empirical Analysis of Racial Differences in Police Use of Force

[A Dark Knight]

Wuddup jay

Sometimes I feel like I am the Flash and you are the Trickster

mark hamill is a national treasure

[ComputerNerd]

BLM has been both productive and counterproductive. End thread.

What BLM was meant to be, and what most people see are I think very different things.
It has become an excuse for some, a justification to support their behaviour which is only wrong when it is coming from the other side.

[TheramoreIsTheBomb]

The cops being racist against blacks is a seriously made up thing, There are stats and studies to prove cops arnt targeting or even shooting blacks more than whites.

lol really son? is that so?

[Lockndrop]

Because they are? - Shooting a cop is nearly always wrong, shooting a person resisting arrest, is often not wrong.


Except they don't actually - Its the result of people being unable to look beyond race, (hint, those people, are not the cops)

And we should appreciate his rationality?
Anders Breivik was angry about the cultural traitors he shoot - Also a rational actor?

Maybe the BLM should stop lying and riling people up then?

Yes, but population is a stupid metric here - Relevant levels of criminality is - a white person does not on average engage in criminality to the same degree black people do - since more black people engage in crime they will have more interactions with police, which means more police shootings.
So adjusting for only population is misleading, to be generous.

You mean if they treated men like women? because they shoot white men too you know?
Because for all black people are being shot at twice the rate not counting for crime, men are shot on an orders of magnitude greater rate with similar population and criminality.
Its not 'black lives matter' that is required its 'male lives matter' - But that requires higher order thinking skills to catch on.

Men are more likely to commit an aggressive act. How many times do you hear of female bank robbers? Female murders with weapons? Women are more likely to kill their kids and husbands. Not strangers. Being a Meninist doesn't help here.

Black lives matter is targeting the area that needs to be improved. Black community relations with law enforcement, the war on drugs, and police use of excessive force. To be fair though if you're really in Europe you wouldn't really understand black lives matter since your countries are much more homogeneous with that changing more recently from the refugee crisis in the middle east. (Not that there aren't african and descendants of africans there just in a much smaller degree)

You say police don't look beyond race yet by a large majority white officers are the ones who have committed these controversial killings. This is a racial issue. It needs to be fixed on both sides however how can a community call for help to get rid of drug dealers and gangs when the people who come to help can't be trusted?

You said black lives matter is lying what's it lying about huh? You must remember Black lives matter is a loosely strung organization with some people saying stupid things claiming to be advocates.

Shooting innocents is wrong. If an officer needs to shoot someone unarmed that's a failure of the officer of deescalating the situation. Police are supposed to be trained that lethal force is the last resort. Police are also supposed to remember that all are innocent until proven guilty in the U.S.. The best way to say it is in America police today are allowed to act based on emotion and instinct but an untrained civilian must remain perfectly calm with a gun pointed at them.

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In 2015 police killed about 300 or so black people. 1/3rd were identified as unarmed if you care. Conversely in 2010 blacks killed about 4900 other blacks.

So you want to justify officers of the peace killing people by comparing it to criminal murders?

[TheramoreIsTheBomb]

Men are more likely to commit an aggressive act. How many times do you hear of female bank robbers? Female murders with weapons? Women are more likely to kill their kids and husbands. Not strangers. Being a Meninist doesn't help here.

Black lives matter is targeting the area that needs to be improved. Black community relations with law enforcement, the war on drugs, and police use of excessive force. To be fair though if you're really in Europe you wouldn't really understand black lives matter since your countries are much more homogeneous with that changing more recently from the refugee crisis in the middle east. (Not that there aren't african and descendants of africans there just in a much smaller degree)

You say police don't look beyond race yet by a large majority white officers are the ones who have committed these controversial killings. This is a racial issue. It needs to be fixed on both sides however how can a community call for help to get rid of drug dealers and gangs when the people who come to help can't be trusted?

You said black lives matter is lying what's it lying about huh? You must remember Black lives matter is a loosely strung organization with some people saying stupid things claiming to be advocates.

Shooting innocents is wrong. If an officer needs to shoot someone unarmed that's a failure of the officer of deescalating the situation. Police are supposed to be trained that lethal force is the last resort. Police are also supposed to remember that all are innocent until proven guilty in the U.S.. The best way to say it is in America police today are allowed to act based on emotion and instinct but an untrained civilian must remain perfectly calm with a gun pointed at them.

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So you want to justify officers of the peace killing people by comparing it to criminal murders?

If I could have this as a signature, I would make it one in a heartbeat. Please get this word around and educate the uneducated. People just can't get it through their damn heads that these shootings are most likely RACE motivated. The evidence is all over their face and they STILL choose to ignore it.

[Dextroden]

Men are more likely to commit an aggressive act. How many times do you hear of female bank robbers? Female murders with weapons? Women are more likely to kill their kids and husbands. Not strangers. Being a Meninist doesn't help here.

Black lives matter is targeting the area that needs to be improved. Black community relations with law enforcement, the war on drugs, and police use of excessive force. To be fair though if you're really in Europe you wouldn't really understand black lives matter since your countries are much more homogeneous with that changing more recently from the refugee crisis in the middle east. (Not that there aren't african and descendants of africans there just in a much smaller degree)

You say police don't look beyond race yet by a large majority white officers are the ones who have committed these controversial killings. This is a racial issue. It needs to be fixed on both sides however how can a community call for help to get rid of drug dealers and gangs when the people who come to help can't be trusted?

You said black lives matter is lying what's it lying about huh? You must remember Black lives matter is a loosely strung organization with some people saying stupid things claiming to be advocates.

Shooting innocents is wrong. If an officer needs to shoot someone unarmed that's a failure of the officer of deescalating the situation. Police are supposed to be trained that lethal force is the last resort. Police are also supposed to remember that all are innocent until proven guilty in the U.S.. The best way to say it is in America police today are allowed to act based on emotion and instinct but an untrained civilian must remain perfectly calm with a gun pointed at them.

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So you want to justify officers of the peace killing people by comparing it to criminal murders?

And you want to justify being deliberately obtuse to police by comparing death rates of whites and blacks.

[Paranoid Android]

I'd say its been pretty unproductive as far as making progress goes.

I mean, if BLM and other radicals think that by ambushing and shooting the police is going to make them de-militarize.....yeah I don't think it will work like that.

If anything police will just avoid those communities more and the problems with crime and what not will get worse.

Hey Tony! Another common thread of the two shooters. They were both Iraqi Veterans.

[dubious_doomhammer]

Very hard, because you have to walk a thin line of not blaming the cops, while at the same time pass new rules implying something was wrong. It's why I like to point at money and hours worked. It does three things; doesn't blame the cops, emphasizing how hard they work and offers a solution. Plus, it's true... Most precincts are overworked and underpaid...

You can blame the training - no national standards means training can vary radically. Current training also seems to lead to escalation rather than de-escalation.

Increasing funding to pay for proper training, longer training periods, and dealing with bad cops instead of protecting them would go a long way I think.

[TheramoreIsTheBomb]

And you want to justify being deliberately obtuse to police by comparing death rates of whites and blacks.

No one would be complaining about the Police y'know if they'd stop being racist and killing people.

[Wolfheart9]

No one would be complaining about the Police y'know if they'd stop being racist and killing people.

This is the biggest lie I think I've seen in this thread yet.

[purebalance]

But they do shoot up schools, malls.... a lot of serial killers are white.....

And yet more violent crime is committed by the black community when population is taken into the equation.

[TheramoreIsTheBomb]

This is the biggest lie I think I've seen in this thread yet.

The truth hurts doesn't it?

[ro9ue]

Or police just stop policing for 2 weeks in certain areas and the ones that live there can compare if they liked anarchy or the way it was before. If they didn't like anarchy they should just shut up about police being racist and get a job.

Exactly. BLM is like Catwoman in The Dark Knight Rises. Hates rules, hates the government, etc. Then she gets what she wants (Bane rises to power) and she like "oh this ain't good".

[Wolfheart9]

The truth hurts doesn't it?

Mmmno, because that's not the truth. From our earliest years people of all races rebel against authority, and some never grow out of it. They would still be complained about. To think otherwise is mentally unsound.

[TheramoreIsTheBomb]

And yet more violent crime is committed by the black community when population is taken into the equation.

And what have you done to stop either of the which? White serial killings on same/different race and Black on black crime?

[purebalance]

No one would be complaining about the Police y'know if they'd stop being racist and killing people.

There are just as many racist black people in the US as there are racist white people at this point. Hate to burst your bubble. If anything BLM is making the black racist number rise. Hell the black community is probably one of the most bigoted overall especially if you take homophobia into account since historically the black community has had a higher percent of hatred to the gay community.

[Wolfheart9]

And what have you done to stop either of the which? White serial killings on same/different race and Black on black crime?

Voted for officials who seem to lean more towards providing better healthcare for people so they can get the mental help they sorely need.

[Underverse]

A lot of studies on this very topic are underway based on the most recent events.

However a study was released saying there was a heavy racial bias of non-lethal force.

An Empirical Analysis of Racial Differences in Police Use of Force

A 20% increase is not a heavy bias. Compare it to self-reported incidents, for example, where you see a 300% racial bias. On this comparison alone it becomes clear that common perceptions are more than a factor of ten off the mark.

I'd also like to point out that a 20% bias against whites for lethal force is reported as 'no racial bias'. Again, we're seeing warped perceptions of race relations in the US bubbling to the top.

[purebalance]

And what have you done to stop either of the which? White serial killings on same/different race and Black on black crime?

It's not my job to stop them. It's the police and mental health experts jobs. Instead though, we blame the white crimes on white people and blame the black crimes... also on whitey.