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    Quote Originally Posted by Ripster42 View Post
    I think the evidence is how inept it was, and the purge that's happening now. Nothing conclusive, so it's pretty pointless to speculate. Saying you don't see evidence for it, while claiming that the US could have given erdogan a "list of names" seems fairly disingenuous though.
    Why disingenuous?

    It would explain the swift purge. Its not like Erdogan hasn't being trying to sniff out conspirators for years. Fake coups, real coup, red coup, blue coup, the people were already on the list so it wouldn't have be hard to go after them.

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    I am 95% sure that he is the one behind coup - that he staged it. No way top military generals would be stupid enough to start a coup when he is not in capital city in his residency. Smart ones would gather 500+ man with arms and rush into his residency, killing him on the spot and just throwing his body over the balcony or just in front of the building. Severed head can't give orders and his supporters wouldn't be able to organize nothing. Also that military plane F-16?!? didnt even shoot at him and it was a part of the rebel force.
    I bet 20% ( just a number ) of the generals behind the coup where actually his supporters and played a key part in it, rest just got lured into it. That way Erdogan was able to "remove" any possible real coup from happening and to eliminate any kind of resistance thus getting full control over the country....

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    Remember when Sadam did the same thing, but on TV smoking a Cigar?

    Brings out tortured guy to say "i plotted against the baath party, im sorry, please execute me for my treason, but first, heres a list of 50% of the people in this room that was part of the plot too".

    After each name is read, security forces escort the person out of the hall, until the end, when sadam tells the people who werent part of the treason (those who remained in the auditorium), to pick up a firearm and shoot the men who were just escorted outside.

    This is how the assholes operate, make up a fake "treason" plot, execute people who called you names. Middle Eastern Politics 101.

    You should watch it. I bet its on youtube. I think its from 1980. Will look for link with eng subtitles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pacox View Post
    Why disingenuous?

    It would explain the swift purge. Its not like Erdogan hasn't being trying to sniff out conspirators for years. Fake coups, real coup, red coup, blue coup, the people were already on the list so it wouldn't have be hard to go after them.
    Because there is the same lack of evidence to support it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beazy View Post
    Remember when Sadam did the same thing, but on TV smoking a Cigar?

    Brings out tortured guy to say "i plotted against the baath party, im sorry, please execute me for my treason, but first, heres a list of 50% of the people in this room that was part of the plot too".

    After each name is read, security forces escort the person out of the hall, until the end, when sadam tells the people who werent part of the treason (those who remained in the auditorium), to pick up a firearm and shoot the men who were just escorted outside.

    This is how the assholes operate, make up a fake "treason" plot, execute people who called you names. Middle Eastern Politics 101.

    You should watch it. I bet its on youtube. I think its from 1980. Will look for link with eng subtitles.
    Smoking cigar while doing some purging like a boss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ParanoiD84 View Post
    Smoking cigar while doing some purging like a boss.
    Watching it again is so horrible. That was the moment that asshole grabbed power. In 10 years, we will be saying the same thing about Erdrogan.

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    Turkey coup could threaten country's Nato membership, John Kerry warns

    State Department says Nato is monitoring how the Turkish government responds to the failed coup. Members of the alliance are required to 'uphold democracy, including tolerating diversity'


    Turkey could fall foul of Nato's "requirement with respect to democracy" if it fails to uphold the rule of law in the wake of an attempted coup, the US Secretary of State John Kerry has warned.


    The Turkish government's response to the failed coup has alarmed both the US and the EU, after it described the plotters as a "cancer" which had to be "cleansed" from public institutions.


    A State Department spokesman has suggested it is "too soon to say" if a clampdown by the Erdogan government could jeopardise Turkey's membership of Nato.
    But Nato's leadership has made it clear that a commitment to "uphold democracy, including tolerating diversity" is one of the five core requirements for members of the alliance.


    Around 8,000 police officers have been suspended across Turkey following the failed coup, with more than 6,000 people in the army, the judiciary and other state bodies arrested as part of President Recep Tayyip Erdogan's response to Friday's events.
    Erdogan has said the people who attempted the coup "must pay," and that the government will consider introducing the death penalty for people beleived to have committed traitorous acts against the state.


    At a joint news conference with EU foreign policy chief Federica Mogherini, US Secretary of State John Kerry said that America stands "squarely on the side of the elected leadership in Turkey," but that "we urge the government of Turkey to to uphold the highest standards of respect for the nation's democratic institutions and the rule of law".


    While Ms Mogherini warned that countries that allow the death penalty cannot joing the European Union, Mr Kerry added that "Nato also has a requirement with respect to democracy," Washington Post reported.


    The US "will certainly support bringing the perpetrators of the coup to justice," he said, "but we also caution against a reach that goes beyond that and stress the importance of the democratic rule being upheld".
    In pictures: Turkey coup attempt





    The Turkish foreign minister Mevlut Cavusoglu has insisted that President Erdogan's government will respect democracy, while Mr Kerry responded that Nato would "measure" its actions. "Obviously a lot of people have been arrested and arrested very quickly," Mr Kerry added, "The level of vigilance and scrutiny is obviously going to be significant in the days ahead. Hopefully we can work in a contructive way that prevents backsliding."


    Ms Mogherini said the indcident "is no excuse to take the country away from fundamental rights and the rule of law, and we will be extremely vigilant on that."
    The pair spoke after a meeting in Brussels that also included the bloc's 28 foreign ministers.


    US officials have since denied Mr Kerry's comments on Nato were a warning to Turkey. State Department spokesman John Kirby told the Washington Post that Nato will be watching Turkey carefully, but added it was "too soon to say" its membership was at risk.


    A senior official from the US embassy in Ankara told the Daily Sabbah, "Secretary Kerry didn't say anything at all about Nato membership being in jeopardy. There is nothing in his actual statement that indicates the US believes Turkey is in a danger in this sense."


    In Berlin, Chancellor Angela Merkel's spokesman said talks on Turkey's bid to the join EU would end if Ankara restores the death penalty.
    Her spokesman Steffen Seibert said "the institution of the death penalty can only mean that such a country could not be a member" of the bloc.
    Both Ms Mogherini and Mr Kerry reiterated the trans-Atlantic support for Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan's democratically-elected government.


    But they illustrated deepening frustration with the Erdogan government's response to the failed coup, which has even included allegations by ministers of US complicity in the violence.
    Go Obama!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ulmita View Post
    There seems to be a pogrom of all kind of governmental employees going on.

    The question is this: Is it true when some countries claim that there was already a list in place of people to be purged?

    If you think about it, he is doing it WAAAAAY too fast.
    Erdogan cracks a mean whip.

    He's purged before, will probably purge again.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_c...ndal_in_Turkey

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    Turkey ex-air chief Akin Ozturk 'admits' coup plot
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36829574

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    According to state propaganda despite him already stating he had no part in it.

    If he has admitted to it, it'd be through 'coercion', kinda like show-trials in all dictatorships.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    Things seem to be getting sketchy by the moment.

    In addition to the almost 3000 judges, those arrested include the general commanding Incirlik airbase, a military aide to the Sultan himself and the generals commanding the 2nd and 3rd Armies.

    You'd have to be living on another planet to believe that the commanders of two armies would be involved in a coup and could only scrap up a couple of hundred soldiers.
    Or the military aide - If for no other reason, that then they would definitively have been able to know his fucking location...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pacox View Post
    Erdogan cracks a mean whip.

    He's purged before, will probably purge again.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_c...ndal_in_Turkey
    9/10 will purge again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beazy View Post
    Watching it again is so horrible. That was the moment that asshole grabbed power. In 10 years, we will be saying the same thing about Erdrogan.
    you know the scary part?
    The reason ISIS is so brutal and 'theatrical' - It's because a lot of its leadership are old Saddam officers, who continued whit the tactics they used then.
    Brutality, fear, and 'messages' -

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoblinP View Post
    you know the scary part?
    The reason ISIS is so brutal and 'theatrical' - It's because a lot of its leadership are old Saddam officers, who continued whit the tactics they used then.
    Brutality, fear, and 'messages' -
    People just don't understand what kind of monster Saddam was. He makes the DPRK Kim family look like children on a playground.
    I watched his hanging video with glee. Absolute, unadulterated, pure glee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beazy View Post
    People just don't understand what kind of monster Saddam was. He makes the DPRK Kim family look like children on a playground.
    I watched his hanging video with glee. Absolute, unadulterated, pure glee.
    While i am averse to the death penalty on principle, i will grant you that if there were to be an exception, he would be it.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrMcNinja View Post


    Treating them like livestock. Erdogan gives no fucks. The man is fucking mental. Anti-Erdogan Turks in my country are also being harrassed by the pro-Erdogan side since the coup. Absolute lunatics.
    Also going on in the Netherlands, The Major of Rotterdam(Aboutaleb) tried to calm his city, with no success it seems. Makes me wonder how pro-erdy turks would react if we ever got a Dutch turk as a major in a city, and he did not support Erdy.

    What country you're from? Portugal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PepperedAngus View Post
    Also, a lot of Turks in The Netherlands seem to be supportive of Erdogan. I've got no clue why though :/
    Same group of people who broke into Ebru's house because she criticized Erdy, they are nuts.

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    Is it still a "Conspiracy" to say that Erdogan staged this whole coup himself as a false-flag operation, or is it just painfully obvious to everyone at this point?

    How do you even do the paperwork alone to fire/imprison THAT many thousands of people in 2 days, let alone do any investigation into who was or wasn't actually connected to the coup. Impressive how little shame he has to pull something like this straight from Hitlers playbook.

    Erdogan's been openly flouting any rules or desicions from NATO, and made a mockery of EUs attempts to control or shape it. The clear support Turkey's been giving to ISIS was still ignored by Europe though.

    After all this though, how much longer can all the world leaders keep looking the other way for? The man is mental.
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    Is it still a "Conspiracy" to say that Erdogan staged this whole coup himself as a false-flag operation, or is it just painfully obvious to everyone at this point?
    Yeah, it's a conspiracy theory until someone produces some evidence.

    How do you even do the paperwork alone to fire/imprison THAT many thousands of people in 2 days, let alone do any investigation into who was or wasn't actually connected to the coup.
    Given that Turkey has had a military coup every 10 years, Erdogan probably has been given a lot of thought to who he can trust and who he can't. Plus the coup was fairly large scale - the numbers don't seem that high.

    Impressive how little shame he has to pull something like this straight from Hitlers playbook.
    Not sure what you mean by the Hitler reference. The Reichstag fire probably was the work of a Communist not the Nazis, whatever the Comintern tried to tell people.

    The man is mental.
    I'm not a fan either, but I think that should be for the Turkish people to say, not the Turkish military. If Islamists can't be allowed to complete their term in office after democratic elections, then that's just feeding the fire of Islamic terrorism. Egypt being a potential case in point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by econ21 View Post
    Plus the coup was fairly large scale - the numbers don't seem that high.
    The coup was anything but large scale - the only large scale stuff going on is the extent of the purges by His Sultanaship. To give you an indication of how small scale it is, two of the (many) generals that have been arrested commanded the 2nd and 3rd Armies. Between them they commanded at least half of the Turkish ground forces - probably somewhere near to 150-200,000 men. And yet for all that they could barely scrap together a couple of hundred for a coup? All they needed to do was send both Armies onto the street as a 'training exercise' and not only would the soldiers not be really aware what was going on but the whole thing would have been done and dusted there.

    Quote Originally Posted by econ21 View Post
    Not sure what you mean by the Hitler reference. The Reichstag fire probably was the work of a Communist not the Nazis, whatever the Comintern tried to tell people.

    No one really knows who started the Reichstag fire. It was awfully convenient for Hitler that just a month after he became Chancellor and he was seeking means to enact emergency powers to in effect become dictator that the place burned down and he had a reason to purge the Reichstag of the communist party.

    What is certain without a doubt is that he did use a false flag operation to justify the invasion of Poland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    The coup was anything but large scale - the only large scale stuff going on is the extent of the purges by His Sultanaship. To give you an indication of how small scale it is, two of the (many) generals that have been arrested commanded the 2nd and 3rd Armies. Between them they commanded at least half of the Turkish ground forces - probably somewhere near to 150-200,000 men. And yet for all that they could barely scrap together a couple of hundred for a coup? All they needed to do was send both Armies onto the street as a 'training exercise' and not only would the soldiers not be really aware what was going on but the whole thing would have been done and dusted there.
    My favourite part was how the army supposedly controlled and shut down all the airports and major cities within first hour and had jet fighters flying all over but by the second hour there wasn't even a peep about that stuff and it only focused on couple vocal points to paint how masses are turning against army in of the most convenient turns of events I've ever seen.

    Almoust as if everyone were following a script of sorts..
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