And you're selfishly using her "grief" to cowardly push your own political fearmongering paranoia (dince your party has no actual plans other than walling out people) and political stance.
If we deserve to be called names, than you deserve a special job and rank in the depths of Hell for your evil selfish ways if using her like a tool.
Edit: i just noticed your forum name. I think I've stumbled on the real truth here...
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You know, it's pretty sad that we live in a world where people get paid for stuff like this or hell, even THINKING that someone got paid to do something like this. So, while I see what your point, I personally put aside the bullshit politics behind it and have compassion for the women who lost a child. Talking about how she lost her child and who's responsibility it was for that happening is another discussion.
So did thousands of mothers during the Iraq war. Why was GOP only now taking this stance and not with Cindy Sheehan, who they called un-American for protesting her sons death?:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cindy_Sheehan
Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
Every damn thing you do in this life, you pay for. - Edith Piaf
The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. - Orwell
No amount of belief makes something a fact. - James Randi
She lost a child, which has nothing to do with the Republican National Convention, except inasmuch as they use it to try to smear Clinton when she had nothing to do with the woman's son's death. That's why people are taking issue with this.
She can have as much compassion as she wants, just not on stage at the RNC.
'Twas a cutlass swipe or an ounce of lead
Or a yawing hole in a battered head
And the scuppers clogged with rotting red
And there they lay I damn me eyes
All lookouts clapped on Paradise
All souls bound just contrarywise, yo ho ho and a bottle of rum!
This is just factually untrue. You need 60 for to pass a bill through a filibuster. And that would be in the senate, not the house. A filibuster also doesn't permanently prevent a bill from being considered. It's a stalling tactic to see if they can make it to the end of the session without it being passed. They literally set the legislative schedule for both legislatures. That's part of the powers granted to the leading party in both legislatures. They could make that the first bill for consideration for that session. If you think the white house would veto a bill that grants them the funding they've requested, you're not living in reality. If the white house had actually done that, in response to republicans hypothetically practicing even some measure of good governance, then benghazi would have been an actual issue. That's not what happened. So instead we get the cockamamie bullshit they've been pulling to try to get you to hit the scapegoat they picked out.
You're not using terms correctly. I don't know how you can be expected to make a worthwhile contribution to this discussion.
GOP did far worse to Cindy Sheehan, with the audience Smith speaking to, featuring the very people who demonized Sheehan:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cindy_Sheehan
but, keep blaming liberals... While the GOP candidate calls a POW a coward...
Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
Every damn thing you do in this life, you pay for. - Edith Piaf
The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. - Orwell
No amount of belief makes something a fact. - James Randi
What the fuck are you talking about dude? I am leaving politics out of this discussion all together. The person who keeps talking about Politics is YOU, jackass. Pull your head out of your ass and re-read what Ive been saying. Im talking about compassion for the woman losing her child, politics aside.
Senate filibuster rules have changed so much now that you can filibuster from a telephone on the other side of the country. This isn't Mr. Smith Goes to Washington anymore, unless you specifically want to grandstand. So anyone in the senate can stop a bill in its tracks with a 10 second phone call, unless the opposition has 60 votes for cloture.
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If politics are aside, then get her off the RNC stage.
'Twas a cutlass swipe or an ounce of lead
Or a yawing hole in a battered head
And the scuppers clogged with rotting red
And there they lay I damn me eyes
All lookouts clapped on Paradise
All souls bound just contrarywise, yo ho ho and a bottle of rum!
What needs to change? Assuming the issue was that the chain of command was broken, and the President made the call to send help but that his order was ignored, the way you fix this is to hold responsible the person who broke the chain of command. Which is exactly what the committee is trying to do.
The reason Hillary is a target, not "the" target, is because she was the head of the department where it seems the command was lost. When she won't investigate who broke that chain of command in her department, it makes her highly suspicious.
Negotiations between the two parties resulted in two packages of amendments to the rules on filibusters being approved by the Senate on January 25, 2013.[38] Changes to the standing orders affecting just the 2013-14 Congress were passed by a vote of 78 to 16, allowing the Senate majority leader to prohibit a filibuster on a motion to begin consideration of a bill.[38] Changes to the permanent Senate rules were passed by a vote of 86 to 9.[38] The changes occurred through Senate Resolution 15 and Senate Resolution 16; Senate Resolution 15 applies only to the 113th session, while Senate Resolution 16 changed two standing rules of the Senate.[39]
That's 2013. Then in 2015 those rules were made permanent.
Not really. The changed them in 2013 to prevent the thing you're talking about from happening again like it did in the 111th congress.
I am not talking about her having compassion, I am talking about US, the people having this conversation on this website, having compassion for her losing her child. Yes, I see the point of why they brought her on stage, to smear Clinton for being the responsible one for getting her child killed which to some is questionable but there's already been proof that she was the one responsible(but this is an entirely different conversation that I won't get into). People are fuckin blasting the lady who lost her child which is wrong.
Jesus Christ, having a conversation with people on this forum is like talking to a 2 year old child. Its pointless. Let me smash my face into a wall for Christ sake. This is why I don't like getting involved in discussions that involve politics because there's never an end to it. Its all opinions that get people no where and turn into heated arguments.
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They were given the chance with Cindy Sheehan, but didn't do it. They will do it with relatives of gun violence, but I really doubt a single one will blame Trump or any member of GOP by name... Bush included... Here is Sheehan's reaction, notice the difference from OP and read about how GOP dragged her through the mud:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cindy_SheehanCindy Sheehan states she initially questioned the urgency of the invasion of Iraq but did not become active in the antiwar effort until after her son's death.[10] Sheehan and other military families met with United States President George W. Bush in June 2004 at Fort Lewis, near Tacoma, Washington, about three months after her son's death. In a June 24, 2004, interview with the Vacaville Reporter, published soon after the meeting, she stated, "We haven't been happy with the way the war has been handled. The president has changed his reasons for being over there every time a reason is proven false or an objective reached." She also stated that President Bush was "sincere about wanting freedom for the Iraqis. I know [he] feels pain for our loss. And I know he's a man of God."
Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
Every damn thing you do in this life, you pay for. - Edith Piaf
The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. - Orwell
No amount of belief makes something a fact. - James Randi