Human Rights Groups: US airstrikes have killed more than 100 innocent Syrians.

[TwoNineMarine]

Isis wouldn't exist without your crusades. So again, why don't you fix your own mess.

Not accurate.

But you keep living in that fantasy land. I hear it's fun!

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Not accurate.

But you keep living in that fantasy land. I hear it's fun!

Well it would definitely not be as influential as it is now, projecting at international level.

[TwoNineMarine]

Well it would definitely not be as influential as it is now, projecting at international level.

Maybe. Maybe not.

It perhaps wouldn't have happened so quickly but it would have happened.

[Wildtree]

Not accurate.

But you keep living in that fantasy land. I hear it's fun!

Well, there's this reality

How Saddam’s men help Islamic State rule

It is pretty safe to say, that with Saddam still in Iraq, there probably wouldn't be an ISIS.
At least not one as we know it.

[Deleted]

Maybe. Maybe not.

It perhaps wouldn't have happened so quickly but it would have happened.

Why? Sectarian violence was contained by the dictators in the area.

[Skroe]

This is the guy that puts sarcastic comments on an analysis of the situation that was created throughout the years of post invasion iraq by scholars and reporters.
It's not the first time he actually states this. He actually DOES believe the refugee crisis was handcrafted by Putin and Assad to destabilise Europe.
I mean... not even the awareness necessary to realise how ridiculous this sounds.

That putin has Weaponized the refugee crisis is considered fact in foreign policy circles.

As usual Djalil, you're out of touch with facts and the situation.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ak-Europe.html

Vladimir Putin is purposefully creating a refugee crisis in order to “overwhelm” and “break” Europe, Nato’s military commander in Europe said today.
Gen Philip Breedlove, the Supreme Allied Commander Europe and the head of the US European Command, said that President Putin and Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad had “weaponised” migration through a campaign of bombardment against civilian centres.

"Together, Russia and the Assad regime are deliberately weaponising migration in an attempt to overwhelm European structures and break European resolve," Gen Breedlove told the Senate Armed Services Committee.
"These indiscriminate weapons used by both Bashar al-Assad, and the non-precision use of weapons by the Russian forces, I can't find any other reason for them other than to cause refugees to be on the move and make them someone else's problem," he said.
Russia’s ambassador to London, Alexander Yakovenko, acknowledged the link, writing on social media that the ceasefire in Syria involving Russian forces “will help alleviate the migration crisis in the EU”.
The United Nations yesterday warned that Greece is on the “cusp of a largely self-induced humanitarian crisis”, as European leaders stood firm behind a policy of choking off the Balkan migrant trail used by more than a million people to reach Germany last year.

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/.../#.V4_dmLgrJhE

WASHINGTON – Some officials in Europe see Russia’s hand in the rising migration crisis, accusing the Kremlin of exacerbating anti-Muslim sentiment to benefit right-wing parties at a fragile moment for the European Union.

Even before the latest terror attacks in Brussels, anti-Muslim and anti-refugee sentiment in Europe had been on the rise. Most of the refugees arriving in Europe are escaping war and poverty in the Middle East and seeking a better life in the West. But according to European officials, other migrants are traveling into the Nordic and Baltic states from Russia and are not fleeing the fighting in Syria, Iraq or Afghanistan, but rather have been living in Russia and are being encouraged by the Kremlin to join the tide in Western Europe.

Speaking to an audience at the German Marshall Fund Brussels Forum last weekend, Estonian President Toomas Hendrik Ilves alleged that these migrants often hide their status as permanent residents of Russia.

“You’ve seen several thousand coming from Finland across the Russian-Finnish border,” he said. “There is something very fishy going on.”

Russia encourages these migrants, according to Ilves and other European officials at the forum, because they strain European governments and stoke anti-Muslim sentiment that benefits the far-right parties Russia has supported. Pro-Russian parties have gained influence in Slovakia, Greece, Hungary, France and elsewhere. They tend to support the weakening of European Union institutions and favor closer ties to Russia, including through the end of sanctions.

Russia’s campaign of airstrikes in Syria, which has largely targeted civilian areas, also adds to the waves of Muslim migrants entering Europe through Greece. Gen. Philip Breedlove, NATO’s supreme allied commander in Europe, said earlier this month that Russia was “weaponizing migration,” as a means to “overwhelm European structures and break European resolve.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/03/wo...eled.html?_r=0

KANDALAKSHA, Russia — So many decrepit Soviet-era cars carried migrants into Europe from this frozen Russian town in recent months that border officials in Finland, who confiscate the rust-bucket vehicles as soon as they cross the frontier, watched in dismay as their parking lot turned into a scrapyard.

To clear up the mess and provide some space for freshly confiscated cars, the Finnish customs service set up a separate dumping ground.

Then last month, as suddenly and as mysteriously as it had started, the parade of migrants in rusty old cars came to an abrupt halt, or at least a pause.

“We don’t know what is going on,” said Matti Daavittila, the head of the ice-entombed Finnish border post near Salla. “They suddenly stopped coming. That is all we know.”

Compared with the hundreds of thousands of people fleeing war or hardship who made the trek to Europe last year through Turkey to Greece, the flow of refugees and migrants on the Arctic route through Russia — first into Norway and later into Finland — is tiny.

But the stop-go traffic has added a hefty dose of geopolitical anxiety, not to mention intrigue, to a crisis that is tearing the European Union apart. It has sent alarm bells ringing in Helsinki, Finland’s capital far to the south, and in Brussels, where European Union leaders, at recent crisis meetings on migration, discussed the strange and ever-shifting Arctic route through Russia.

The intrigue flows from a growing suspicion in the West that Russia is stoking and exploiting Europe’s migrant crisis to extract concessions, or perhaps crack the European unity over economic sanctions imposed against Moscow for its actions in Ukraine. Only one of the European Union’s 28 member states needs to break ranks for a regime of credit and other restrictions to collapse.

“Unfortunately, this looks like a political demonstration by Russia,” said Ilkka Kanerva, Finland’s former foreign minister and now the chairman of its parliamentary Defense Committee. “They are very skillful at sending signals. They want to show that Finland should be very careful when it makes its own decisions on things like military exercises, our partnership with NATO and European Union sanctions” against Russia.

Hubcap's post is only so outlandish that the Former NATO supreme command, and most of the continent's leaders, have said the same thing.

I mena it's very simple. The Russian-NATO border is heavily militarized. There is no freedom of movement. That muslim refugees are getting through Russian territory then crossing the border to Northern Europe, thousands of miles from home, is something that can only be done with the assent and help of Russian authorities. These are not people sneaking across fields in the dead of night, but bused from the South of Russia to the North, and then sent across the border.


But you're a Putin patsy Djalil, and your recognition of these facts is not required.

[Rennadrel]

I always wonder how innocent people are who live that close to people being bombed. Of course, there are many tragedies when it comes to this stuff, but if a combatant who has killed others in the name of radical Islam lives with his wife who knows about the things he does and still lives with him, I wouldn't really consider her innocent, and assuming she wasn't killed, how many of the man's children will we have to kill in the future if she was still alive.

Generally speaking, you can't hide among civilians unless the civilians are complicit on some level with it. Obviously you can't assign 100% moral blame to someone who hasn't pulled a trigger, but we have a well established civil system in the US that recognizes the significant contributions of someone in the home to a spouse who has a successful career, we should have the same standard for those who support our enemies.

Most of the innocent people dying from drone strikes are the consequence of both constantly changing intel on the location of actual terrorists as well as terrorists using civilians as meat shields, often in an attempt to get people to support them through "drone strikes kill civilians instead of real threats" types of ideologies.

[Deleted]

That putin has Weaponized the refugee crisis is considered fact in foreign policy circles.

As usual Djalil, you're out of touch with facts and the situation.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ak-Europe.html



http://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/.../#.V4_dmLgrJhE




http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/03/wo...eled.html?_r=0




Hubcap's post is only so outlandish that the Former NATO supreme command, and most of the continent's leaders, have said the same thing.

I mena it's very simple. The Russian-NATO border is heavily militarized. There is no freedom of movement. That muslim refugees are getting through Russian territory then crossing the border to Northern Europe, thousands of miles from home, is something that can only be done with the assent and help of Russian authorities. These are not people sneaking across fields in the dead of night, but bused from the South of Russia to the North, and then sent across the border.


But you're a Putin patsy Djalil, and your recognition of these facts is not required.

France is also moving people back to Italy. What you described is happening all across Europe. NATO saying what they say isn't really surprising considering that creating tension between them and Russia is their job.
But to be honest, I really do not want to discuss this with you, considering the terminology you decided to use from the get go.

[Easo]

Stop arming them and reduce their economic power. Stop Saudi Arabia and Qatar supporting them, help local powers fighting Isis instead of creating a 3 way war that only divides opposition to Isis.

USA is not arming ISIS. USA is helping local powers (kurds). Not exactly sure about SA and Qatar supporting them, because if IS gets there, they will also be attacked. Some elements, yeah, definitely.

[Deleted]

USA is not arming ISIS. USA is helping local powers (kurds). Not exactly sure about SA and Qatar supporting them, because if IS gets there, they will also be attacked. Some elements, yeah, definitely.

Usa is arming groups that are deflecting,disappearing or leaving en masse. It has happened several times.
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/08/po...-weapons-u-s-/

According to a new report from Amnesty International, many of ISIS’ arms have come from units defecting from the Free Syrian Army, as well as other rebel groups previously aligned with the United States and its plan to oust Bashar al-Assad

Mind you that's not even questioning the quality of the groups we are supporting. Just recently, a group of rebels belonging to groups we support, have beheaded a 12 years old palestinian. According to some people, considering in the video there are tubes attached to the boy, there is the possibility of the guy having had is organs removed, which is apparently quite on fashion in Syria.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/0...065358507.html

These are the guys we are arming. Are you surprised that ISIS gets their hands on those weapons, considering the amount of money and power they have?

[Easo]

Usa is arming groups that are deflecting,disappearing or leaving en masse. It has happened several times.
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/08/po...-weapons-u-s-/

Arming different groups =/= arming ISIS. Is that hard to get? Blame the intelligence for failing to select trustworthy ones. USA is not arming IS. Why USA goverment would ever want that?

[Deleted]

Arming different groups =/= arming ISIS. Is that hard to get? Blame the intelligence for failing to select trustworthy ones. USA is not arming IS. Why USA goverment would ever want that?

I AM blaming the intelligence. It's a US led group. Is Intelligence not their responsibility?

[Ulmita]

Ahhhhhhhhh good old Skroe, the master of propaganda!!!

So if Breedlove said it, it must be true eh? You are missing the fact that Breedlove has been called a liar, a super hawk and he is dangerous to humanity as a whole.

Breedlove who was accused by Germany of dangerous propaganda?
Breedlove who was accused for warmongering?
or
Breedlove who according to the leaked emails tried to start a war with Russia?

Using imaginary stuff, or in this case, using propaganda from biggest propagandist in world AS FACTS, is the definition of propaganda.

So yeah, once again, go try to pull that bs to elementary kids, they might believe you.

[Independent voter]

Here's yet another bombing thread.

[Keosen]

Thhis kind of threads makes clear how low the modern society and our "civilized my ass" western world has fall.
When you justify the murder of innocent people, when you support the opinion that a murder of children it's justified based on the context you are a piece of shit, and no matter how civilized you think you are, you are equally savage and non-human as those ISIS apes.

[Kaleredar]

Isis wouldn't exist without your crusades. So again, why don't you fix your own mess.

The crusades? The crusades that happened 900 years ago?

Yeah, I don't think that's a tremendously contributing factor.


I'd say Russian/US intervention in the 1960s/70s, followed by the turmoil brought about in the 90's, followed up by Bush's idiotic campaign in the 2000s is what created this mess.

[Theinquisition]

Don't really care.

Only thing I care about here is keeping them from reaching our shores.

[Azadina]

The crusades? The crusades that happened 900 years ago?

Yeah, I don't think that's a tremendously contributing factor.


I'd say Russian/US intervention in the 1960s/70s, followed by the turmoil brought about in the 90's, followed up by Bush's idiotic campaign in the 2000s is what created this mess.

That's the crusades I'm talking about

[Deleted]

Don't really care.

Only thing I care about here is keeping them from reaching our shores.

Well you maybe you shouldn't have participated in an unsuccessful illegal invasion of their countries, killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people and left many of them so sore and crazy that they want to come to the west and kill your families.

Vote for Trump, he'll build a wall. That'll work.

[Azadina]

Well you maybe you shouldn't have participated in an unsuccessful illegal invasion of their countries, killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people and left many of them so sore and crazy that they want to come to the west and kill your families.

Vote for Trump, he'll build a wall. That'll work.

Hey, 9/11 happened because there was no walls blocking the planes!