Vicious Mounts

[Krusza]

Like in WoD, if you kept a vicious saddle back you can get the new vicious mount

Jus'sayin, they're not too bad. The gilnean horse actually has physics on it!

[dacoolist]

Like in WoD, if you kept a vicious saddle back you can get the new vicious mount

Jus'sayin, they're not too bad. The gilnean horse actually has physics on it!

Yeah I agree, I went for that scumbag space goat mount myself (Vicious War Elekk: http://www.wowhead.com/item=140350/vicious-war-elekk )

Not to bad )

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btw, look at THIS.. damn Horde got some LOVE this patch <3 http://www.wowhead.com/item=140348/vicious-warstrider daaaaaamn

[Caolela]

Just got the Vicious Ram a couple of weeks ago and it's one of my faves, looks great with my dwarf main. I've had the horse and tiger for awhile and was good to have something different. I like it because it doesn't have a flag poking up, never thought those were needed anyway.

The Gilnean horse is cool but I think is a bit overdone, with the 2 thick, heavy shields on either side and the skull holders or w/e they are. Blizz should have just done a decent armor set to match the head armor. No way I'm grinding Legion's shitty PvP mess for that one.

[Krusza]

Just got the Vicious Ram a couple of weeks ago and it's one of my faves, looks great with my dwarf main. I've had the horse and tiger for awhile and was good to have something different. I like it because it doesn't have a flag poking up, never thought those were needed anyway.

The Gilnean horse is cool but I think is a bit overdone, with the 2 thick, heavy shields on either side and the skull holders or w/e they are. Blizz should have just done a decent armor set to match the head armor. No way I'm grinding Legion's shitty PvP mess for that one.

Legion PvP is 2 steps up from WoD.

[Caolela]

Legion PvP is 2 steps up from WoD.

Sure, if you like grinding for RNG boxes, a segregated gear system of Haves and Have Nots, and a dumb Prestige or Honor talent grind. Then we have the further ability prune and horrid balance, cheating galore that Blizz is fully aware of and does little to nothing about, and more.

You got it ass backwards.

[Krusza]

Sure, if you like grinding for RNG boxes, a segregated gear system of Haves and Have Nots, and a dumb Prestige or Honor talent grind. Then we have the further ability prune and horrid balance, cheating galore that Blizz is fully aware of and does little to nothing about, and more.

You got it ass backwards.

I don't judge PvP from spamming random BGs, I judge it based on the actual gameplay that takes place in PvP combat.

For example, casters needing to cast, less cooldown stacking mongoloid gameplay, refined specs, double the seasons to cut inflation, normalized stats etc etc.

Honor talents get activated in a rated environment, and prestige is optional. It's a good system that encourages BG gameplay, as there was none before.

[Theoris]

I like the Warstrider, but the Gilnean Warhorse is a work of art. (plus the orc skulls in the small cages got a chuckle out of me)

[Ayla]

I like the Warstrider, but the Gilnean Warhorse is a work of art. (plus the orc skulls in the small cages got a chuckle out of me)

I can't say I am a fan of either, really. The headgear on the strider should break its neck, and the warhorse is a bit monotone (or at least too dark to fully enjoy, lanterns lit would have been great) and bulky, but I chose it over the elekk.

[Krusza]

I can't say I am a fan of either, really. The headgear on the strider should break its neck, and the warhorse is a bit monotone (or at least too dark to fully enjoy, lanterns lit would have been great) and bulky, but I chose it over the elekk.

Defo feel like they added too much to the horse as well.

[Caolela]

I don't judge PvP from spamming random BGs, I judge it based on the actual gameplay that takes place in PvP combat.

For example, casters needing to cast, less cooldown stacking mongoloid gameplay, refined specs, double the seasons to cut inflation, normalized stats etc etc.

Honor talents get activated in a rated environment, and prestige is optional. It's a good system that encourages BG gameplay, as there was none before.

I judge it from actual gameplay that takes place in PvP combat in all forms of PvP, including randoms, RBGs, and arenas. I have around 900 RBGs played (almost all pugged), tons of randoms but not so much arena. I find 1 to 3 min. deathmatches with FotM comps & minimal strategy to get boring pretty quickly.

I guess you haven't been over to the official Legion PvP Feedback forum since alpha to now? Or maybe haven't noticed the CD stacking, Swifty macroed warrs that 2 or 3 shot everyone on a team? That most melee like those warrs (and tanks) are unkillable raid bosses? Frost mage and rogues? You call that "refined specs"? Maybe on Uranus, but not around here.

And let us know why anyone who is a legitimate very good player (meaning doesn't use scripts or play with teams that do) needs better gear than any player can get w/o 'X' rating? Tell us how that does not encourage further cheating/botting, paid carries & pilots & wintrades and such to get those ranks and thus better, exclusive gear.

There was incentive for BG play in WoD called RNG boxes for 3 wins a week and a chance for BiS Accolade trinks. They just took that crap and transferred it to everything being RNG drops now, since they got people acclimated to it for over a year. Or you have to raid Heroic and Mythic for RNG top gear.

As a famous tennis player once said: "You cannot be serious".

[Theoris]

I can't say I am a fan of either, really. The headgear on the strider should break its neck, and the warhorse is a bit monotone (or at least too dark to fully enjoy, lanterns lit would have been great) and bulky, but I chose it over the elekk.

It has a very slender neck, hasn't it

[Ealyssa]

And let us know why anyone who is a legitimate very good player (meaning doesn't use scripts or play with teams that do) needs better gear than any player can get w/o 'X' rating? Tell us how that does not encourage further cheating/botting, paid carries & pilots & wintrades and such to get those ranks and thus better, exclusive gear.

wow you really look like an entitled kid...

First, yes if you sucks at PVP your gear ilvl will sucks. And no, you don't have to cheat to get good gear. Just pull your ginders out of your ass and start improving...
Second, gears doesn't matter in PVP. Period. a few % at most. The gear reward in PVP only purpose is : 1)show off 2)helping you when you do things outside PVP (legion dailies, some dungeon, raiding, who cares).

You certainly are legitimately a whiner. A very good player crying about rating giving gears ? Let us all point at you and laugh.

[Krusza]

I judge it from actual gameplay that takes place in PvP combat in all forms of PvP, including randoms, RBGs, and arenas. I have around 900 RBGs played (almost all pugged), tons of randoms but not so much arena. I find 1 to 3 min. deathmatches with FotM comps & minimal strategy to get boring pretty quickly.

I guess you haven't been over to the official Legion PvP Feedback forum since alpha to now? Or maybe haven't noticed the CD stacking, Swifty macroed warrs that 2 or 3 shot everyone on a team? That most melee like those warrs (and tanks) are unkillable raid bosses? Frost mage and rogues? You call that "refined specs"? Maybe on Uranus, but not around here.

And let us know why anyone who is a legitimate very good player (meaning doesn't use scripts or play with teams that do) needs better gear than any player can get w/o 'X' rating? Tell us how that does not encourage further cheating/botting, paid carries & pilots & wintrades and such to get those ranks and thus better, exclusive gear.

There was incentive for BG play in WoD called RNG boxes for 3 wins a week and a chance for BiS Accolade trinks. They just took that crap and transferred it to everything being RNG drops now, since they got people acclimated to it for over a year. Or you have to raid Heroic and Mythic for RNG top gear.

As a famous tennis player once said: "You cannot be serious".

I'm sorry, but if you're going to bring experience into your argument, I'll do it too.

You have 900 rbgs played whilst having 1800 as your highest rating. That's absolutely shocking. I don't have much more than that and I've been above 2.4 3 times and had 2 HoTAs.

You have no arena achievements at all.

Now that you're done bringing "experience" into it whilst having none and giving off a cocky vibe, I'll get to what you said.

No, I don't read the forums. I listen to the good players that actually know what they're doing. Everyone's raging about a pre-patch. I've spent a hell of a lot of time on the beta.

Arena is a 1-3 min deathmatch with no strategy? Okay, you've not even played it. 1400 MMR games are not the same as high rated arena.

Swifty CD stacking and using one ability that will obviously be fixed before release, like Taste for Blood and Stampede.

The general view of high-rated arena players is that the game's a hell of a lot better, for the reasons I stated earlier. I've played a lot of wargames on beta vs 2400-2500 people and I definitely share their views. I absolutely hated WoD arena, I love it in Legion. Liked it during MoP and when I started playing it back in cata.

BIS RNG gear didn't provide an incentive for BGs. The 3 wins a week was from RBGs, not BGs. I don't get what you're talking about.

Why does a good player need better gear? What? Why do people want rewards? I wonder why.

[Caolela]

I'm sorry, but if you're going to bring experience into your argument, I'll do it too.

You have 900 rbgs played whilst having 1800 as your highest rating. That's absolutely shocking. I don't have much more than that and I've been above 2.4 3 times and had 2 HoTAs.

You have no arena achievements at all.

Now that you're doing bringing "experience" into it, I'll get to what you said.

Arena is a 1-3 min deathmatch with no strategy? Okay, you've not even played it. 1400 MMR games are not the same as high rated arena.

Swifty CD stacking and using one ability that will obviously be fixed before release, like Taste for Blood and Stampede.

BIS RNG gear didn't provide an incentive for BGs. The 3 wins a week was from RBGs, not BGs. I don't get what you're talking about.

Why does a good player need better gear? What? Why do people want rewards? I wonder why.

Pardon me for dropping the 'R' from RBG, but I'm sure you knew what I meant. And BTW, my highest rating has been 1880 but I don't play for rating because it's meaningless to rank up with scumlords. I generally play to get the next mount I want then quit.

There is no guarantee that Blizz will fix anything before launch, but that's always the stupid mantra. Then it's "well they'll fix it next season"...blah blah. We've seen that shot down time and again, and to date they haven't been replying to the testers or fixing reported issues except rarely.

Easy to get high CR when you play with scripters and kickbotters. Don't even pretend you haven't since we all know the entire ladder in both formats is a joke. I make no bones about my rating since I refuse to play on any team that cheats, and you cannot get above 1800-1900 without doing so, even back in MoP when the scumlords weren't as rampant as they are now. That's why I quit when I run into those teams - CR rating is meaningless because it's phony and unearned. I've played against plenty and most were not that good, they were just good cheaters.

Arena is about as challenging as knowing to pillar hump and cross CC. There is little strat involved but to know the other specs reasonably well and watch CDs, but no different than you need for RBG and there are no objectives involved. It is simplistic and boring deathmatch, worse than doing endless ToK's. That's why I don't arena except occasional weekly 2s cap.

Now that your pathetic attempt at armory shaming has failed, you haven't explained why any "higher rank" needs better gear than those below whatever the cut-off is. And what should that magic number be...1800, 1900, 2000, 2200, 2300? Is a player 10 pts. below the cut-off less deserving than someone 4 pts. above it, but the guy who just made it now gets a free gear advantage?

What if the guy 4 pts. over happens to get some unlucky shitty pug matches one night and tanks his rating by 30-50 pts....should he then lose that better gear? Or should only those on set teams get to have the good stuff?

If they're really inherently better players, then they don't need an unfair advantage. No competitive sport gives challengers a handicap to overcome like inferior equipment and the experience or skill of playing against the top players or teams to overcome. In fact, if there's any handicap it's usually the other direction.

Rewards should be recolors, titles, and mounts like most have been for years, not stronger ilvl gear.

[Krusza]

You're saying I played with cheaters because I'm high rated. Wow.

Your views really are based on nothing. You've not experienced high rated arena or RBGs, you have no idea about it at all.

Gear adds character progression. It's an RPG. If you don't like people having better gear than you, MMORPGS aren't for you.

I see there's no point arguing in this derailed thread.

[Caolela]

When you show me one player on the arena or RBG ladder that hasn't played with cheaters along the way at some point, I'll believe you didn't either. Everyone but noobs knows that. You didn't get anywhere near 2400 or Hero without it.

My experience is based on playing hundreds of rated matches with very good players, some at high rank (which again means nothing), and against similar players, but none of whom had any illusions about the cheater's cesspool that is WoW rated PvP. Don't expect anyone with half a brain to buy your schtick.

Char progression in PvP is based on getting equal gear...and then progressing from lowest to higher rank. PvP is not raiding, as if you're trying to beat the next higher HP/dmg boss with weaker gear.

[Krusza]

When you show me one player on the arena or RBG ladder that hasn't played with cheaters along the way at some point, I'll believe you didn't either. Everyone but noobs knows that. You didn't get anywhere near 2400 or Hero without it.

My experience is based on playing hundreds of rated matches with very good players, some at high rank (which again means nothing), and against similar players, but none of whom had any illusions about the cheater's cesspool that is WoW rated PvP. Don't expect anyone with half a brain to buy your schtick.

Char progression in PvP is based on getting equal gear...and then progressing from lowest to higher rank. PvP is not raiding, as if you're trying to beat the next higher HP/dmg boss with weaker gear.

I can't believe you're saying every high-rated player has played with cheaters. That's delusional.

All I'm seeing is "I'm an amazing player and I can't get above 1800 so therefore anyone who's higher than me is a cheater"

Yes, there are a lot of cheaters. No, they're not keeping you at 1800 rating. If people are cheating at 1800 they wouldn't be fucking 1800. All you have to do at 1800 rating is know how to do a fucking rotation properly. The rotation bots would be way above that. Your experience is playing hundreds of RBGs at next to 0 rating.

I can't believe you've actually just sat there and doubled down on your claim of "any high rated player plays with cheaters" like what the fuck?

Then again, I can't really expect a lot of rationality from the typical pseudo-intellectual "sheep watching a TV" display picture and "the media is lying to you" signature quote.

Only people who are intellectually insecure attach themselves to conspiracy theories that tell them they're the smart ones and everyone else is dumb.

Can you just stop typing and get out of my thread? Thanks.

[Caolela]

I can't believe you're saying every high-rated player has played with cheaters. That's delusional.

All I'm seeing is "I'm an amazing player and I can't get above 1800 so therefore anyone who's higher than me is a cheater"

Yes, there are a lot of cheaters. No, they're not keeping you at 1800 rating. If people are cheating at 1800 they wouldn't be fucking 1800. All you have to do at 1800 rating is know how to do a fucking rotation properly. The rotation bots would be way above that. Your experience is playing hundreds of RBGs at next to 0 rating.

I can't believe you've actually just sat there and doubled down on your claim of "any high rated player plays with cheaters" like what the fuck?

Then again, I can't really expect a lot of rationality from the typical pseudo-intellectual "sheep watching a TV" display picture and "the media is lying to you" signature quote.

Only people who are intellectually insecure attach themselves to conspiracy theories that tell them they're the smart ones and everyone else is dumb.

Can you just stop typing and get out of my thread? Thanks.

You missed the part where the cheating 1800's aren't 1800 anymore because they're cheating their way higher. Duh. And if I still played this shit bracket, I'd be more than happy to vs. your team and show you how a "rotation" is done. But you'd all have to turn off your bots and Swifty's first. kek

Yours is the usual bullshit denial we've seen for literally years now on the Blizz boards, from people like Bailamos, Bcostco, Datacus, Ocean, Bayter, Codista, ABN and a list as long as your arm I could name, many of which I've versed or their alts or pilots. These scumlords brag openly on Blizzard's own forums about their deeds - right in Blizzard's face. We've seen it since at least MoP and the DDoSing fiasco then.

And after they brag, they turn around and try to claim they're anti-cheat just like you have. It's a form of Orwellian double-speak that only Blizz can top.

Here's thread I put up last Sept. on MMO-C about this very topic. http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1870181-Cheating I can also pull up threads from Arena Junkies and elsewhere that link to several vids and screenshots showing the scumlords in action. It's unequivocal and undeniable.

Anyone can go to sites like OwnedCore and see for themselves how rampant the cheating hacks are. There are so many, you have to decide which ones to use like Firehack, Wrobot, ReBot, SoapBox, etc.

To this day, the top teams still cheat against each other, they still sell pilots, and still only play with the same clique of people. They que dodge their way to 2400 and Hero and farm lower ranks (sound familiar?). You even see them now in the lower end because so few play Rated anymore, you don't have to wait til 1800-2k+. It doesn't matter how many lies they or people like you tell, arena and RBG is literally garbage due to the rampant cheating that has no end in sight.

There is no way anyone will get a higher CR in Rated w/o cheating or being on a team that has a couple of cheaters - because it's so widespread now you cannot avoid it. The best human player in the world is not going to consistently beat the perfect rotation bots and kickbots from a computer, not to mention seeing rogues, druids, DKs, flying overhead out of range with the flag, the wall hacks and exploits, and other asshattery.

Blizz well knows this but they don't care, mainly because those players actually help profits with their streams and VoDs and the loads of money they spend. What Blizz is good at is sending liars like Lore and Celestalon out to PR spin the meme that they're actually "doing something" to combat cheating. Some idiots and fanboys actually believe it.

But I've said this all before 100 times. So you're not fooling anyone but the 16 year olds who spend mom's cigarette money on this shit of a title, trying to be like their PvP heroes they saw on Twitch and YT.

And BTW - I'll stop typing in "your thread" when you stop talking bullshit.

[Krusza]

You missed the part where the cheating 1800's aren't 1800 anymore because they're cheating their way higher. Duh. And if I still played this shit bracket, I'd be more than happy to vs. your team and show you how a "rotation" is done. But you'd all have to turn off your bots and Swifty's first. kek

Yours is the usual bullshit denial we've seen for literally years now on the Blizz boards, from people like Bailamos, Bcostco, Datacus, Ocean, Bayter, Codista, ABN and a list as long as your arm I could name, many of which I've versed or their alts or pilots. These scumlords brag openly on Blizzard's own forums about their deeds - right in Blizzard's face. We've seen it since at least MoP and the DDoSing fiasco then.

And after they brag, they turn around and try to claim they're anti-cheat just like you have. It's a form of Orwellian double-speak that only Blizz can top.

Here's thread I put up last Sept. on MMO-C about this very topic. http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/1870181-Cheating I can also pull up threads from Arena Junkies and elsewhere that link to several vids and screenshots showing the scumlords in action. It's unequivocal and undeniable.

Anyone can go to sites like OwnedCore and see for themselves how rampant the cheating hacks are. There are so many, you have to decide which ones to use like Firehack, Wrobot, ReBot, SoapBox, etc.

To this day, the top teams still cheat against each other, they still sell pilots, and still only play with the same clique of people. They que dodge their way to 2400 and Hero and farm lower ranks (sound familiar?). You even see them now in the lower end because so few play Rated anymore, you don't have to wait til 1800-2k+. It doesn't matter how many lies they or people like you tell, arena and RBG is literally garbage due to the rampant cheating that has no end in sight.

There is no way anyone will get a higher CR in Rated w/o cheating or being on a team that has a couple of cheaters - because it's so widespread now you cannot avoid it. The best human player in the world is not going to consistently beat the perfect rotation bots and kickbots from a computer, not to mention seeing rogues, druids, DKs, flying overhead out of range with the flag, the wall hacks and exploits, and other asshattery.

Blizz well knows this but they don't care, mainly because those players actually help profits with their streams and VoDs and the loads of money they spend. What Blizz is good at is sending liars like Lore and Celestalon out to PR spin the meme that they're actually "doing something" to combat cheating. Some idiots and fanboys actually believe it.

But I've said this all before 100 times. So you're not fooling anyone but the 16 year olds who spend mom's cigarette money on this shit of a title, trying to be like their PvP heroes they saw on Twitch and YT.

And BTW - I'll stop typing in "your thread" when you stop talking bullshit.

I'm typing bullshit when you have no idea who I am but you're calling me a cheater because I had high rating. You're so fucking salty about being shit. Grow the fuck up.

Why do you even play this game? You've never played arena and you've never been high rating in RBGs so how do you know ANYTHING about it? You're playing this game every day whilst whining about it being full of cheaters. Why the FUCK are you saying everyone who's rated is a cheater? Please unsubscribe if you can't deal with the fact that people are better than you.

You're listing US players like I have anything to do with them on EU. Jesus.

I can't believe you have the audacity to say EVERYONE is a cheater that's high rated. I don't get it. What's wrong with you? I'm sorry, but if you want to get good, change your mindset immediately. Your mindset is literally "I'm 1800 but im amazing so anyone who's higher than me is a cheater". I've literally never met anyone this deluded in my life.

You don't know who I am but you're SO salty about the fact someone can be higher rated than "the great caolela" so you call them a cheater. It's funny because I remember this one time when our DK abused the EOTS bug where you could grip people into a rock and they got stuck, we sat one person out and kicked him after the game. I absolutely despise cheaters and go out of my way a hell of a lot to get rid of as many as I can.

I don't care if you believe me at this point, you're safe in your delusions that anyone who is better than you is cheating.

Good luck.

[Caolela]

I'm typing bullshit when you have no idea who I am but you're calling me a cheater because I had high rating. You're so fucking salty about being shit. Grow the fuck up.

Why do you even play this game? You've never played arena and you've never been high rating in RBGs so how do you know ANYTHING about it? You're playing this game every day whilst whining about it being full of cheaters. Why the FUCK are you saying everyone who's rated is a cheater? Please unsubscribe if you can't deal with the fact that people are better than you.

You're listing US players like I have anything to do with them on EU. Jesus.

I can't believe you have the audacity to say EVERYONE is a cheater that's high rated. I don't get it. What's wrong with you? I'm sorry, but if you want to get good, change your mindset immediately. Your mindset is literally "I'm 1800 but im amazing so anyone who's higher than me is a cheater". I've literally never met anyone this deluded in my life.

You don't know who I am but you're SO salty about the fact someone can be higher rated than "the great caolela" so you call them a cheater. It's funny because I remember this one time when our DK abused the EOTS bug where you could grip people into a rock and they got stuck, we sat one person out and kicked him after the game. I absolutely despise cheaters and go out of my way a hell of a lot to get rid of as many as I can.

I don't care if you believe me at this point, you're safe in your delusions that anyone who is better than you is cheating.

Good luck.

First, I never claimed I'm "amazing", that's something you invented instead of any factual argument. GG. I'll wager though that I'm a lot better at my class than what you're assuming from any dumb CR number that means exactly nothing for anyone. Which shows you're laughably naive or in huge denial. In fact, I'd say the people who quit before being forced to cheat to get on the ladders are often the better players. They'd rather earn their stuff legit though, not get meaningless ranks from botting and carries.

BTW, if you're in EU then how are you getting past the Russian hackers on those realms w/o cheating? Wait lemme guess...you're just that awesome!

Or not.

The fact is when you see strings of perfect kicks/dispels from the usual suspects or any kid who spent $70. on scripts, you know it's there. I've personally been dossed and lag hacked several times. As I said above it's from 1600'ish on up now, and there's tons of evidence anyone can find that proves the cheating is rampant and non-stop.

Keep pretending you're special and telling yourself that. But if you had any sense you'd not brag on any rank or title since it just shows you're part of the problem.