Page 4 of 20 FirstFirst ...
2
3
4
5
6
14
... LastLast
  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by alexkeren View Post
    Clearly you are. The cops aren't in the cell phone footage at the beginning yet you can't really tell what the boy is holding.

    It's safer to act on the assumption based upon the 911 call the boy is armed until you have actual visual confirmation otherwise.

    All you armchair cops really need to go through some of the simulations being offered to clueless people like yourselves.
    Okay, the boy is armed, you come in, you see a black man laying down with his hands in the air, you turn your weapon away from the potentially armed retard and shoot the black man laying on the ground. Wait, what?

  2. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by Thetruth1400 View Post
    Where did you go to get your police training to know that's the method they are taught? I'm actually curious because it sounds like more rhetoric, not actual facts here.
    What a ridiculous question. Do you disagree that one of a cop's primary responses in dealing with a suspect who is uncooperative or potentially dangerous is to point a gun at them? It's not rhetoric, it's how they're trained. And it's not ok.

  3. #63
    Deleted
    Quote Originally Posted by TheMediator View Post
    This isn't actually real is it? This sounds like the onion. Cops come on the scene and see a retard with a toy truck and a black man laying on the ground with his arms in the air and decide the best course of action to deal with this situation is to shoot and then cuff the black guy? I don't know what world I'm living in.
    It really does sound like the start of a joke or one of those text-based RPG games:

    "A US cop comes across a black man lying on the ground with his arms in the air and a 'retard' kid sitting on the ground with a toy truck, which of the two on the ground would you rather be?"

    ... Now, roll the dice!
    Last edited by mmoc83df313720; 2016-07-21 at 01:59 AM.

  4. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by lockedout View Post
    You treat every call about a man with a gun the same, he has a gun until you know he doesn't. At that point he wasn't searched so your question is worthless.
    So believe someone you do not know making a call over someone right there. It is called open your eyes and look around. There is no way to justify their actions in this case, but you keep right on with the contortions of logic and the blind support of the police.

  5. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by Canpinter View Post
    the police fucked up royally here but how are they supposed to know they guy understood the situation and they didn't, they get a call about a suicidal man with a gun, given the sheer amount of guns in the country they have to assume anything a guy is holding in that situation is a gun until they can be sure otherwise.
    How about holding off? There was no one else close by, no one else in range, so even if he was armed there was no immediate danger to other bystanders. All they had then to do was get the mans name and do a call to check who he was and whether his story was legit. But no it was shoot first ask questions later.
    Quote Originally Posted by Redtower View Post
    I don't think I ever hide the fact I was a national socialist. The fact I am a German one is what technically makes me a nazi
    Quote Originally Posted by Hooked View Post
    You haven't seen nothing yet, we trumpsters will definitely be getting some cool uniforms soon I hope.

  6. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by alexw View Post
    How about holding off? There was no one else close by, no one else in range, so even if he was armed there was no immediate danger to other bystanders. All they had then to do was get the mans name and do a call to check who he was and whether his story was legit. But no it was shoot first ask questions later.
    again read my first 5 words, you are right that's something they should have done. What im trying to do is point out solutions to the problem for the future. not just play captain hindsight.
    Last edited by Canpinter; 2016-07-21 at 02:05 AM.

  7. #67
    adipose degeneration and too much lead in the water supply I suppose.

  8. #68
    I've usually been on the cops side in these shootings, but unless there is a ton of missing information here, the cop was clearly in the wrong and way too trigger happy here. Should be fired and prosecuted.

  9. #69
    Herald of the Titans Berengil's Avatar
    7+ Year Old Account
    Join Date
    Feb 2015
    Location
    Tn, near Memphis
    Posts
    2,967
    Quote Originally Posted by lockedout View Post
    Let the police do their job you won't risk getting shot.
    If only they would instead of going on power trips. Though I denounce whats been happening to cops in Dallas and Baton Rouge, it is the entirely predictable consequence of people on the edge who feel ( realistically or not) that the police no longer exercise legitimate authority. Due mainly to sht like this.

    it's like cops don't watch the news. Incoming more riots/cop shootings.

    EDIT: I think a a simple law would put a quick end to this. It would say that any cop who uses lethal force against someone who later turns out to have been unarmed is automatically fired and charged with reckless homicide.

    If cops aren't willing to endure the higher standards and extra scrutiny, then quit.
    Last edited by Berengil; 2016-07-21 at 02:14 AM.

  10. #70
    Deleted
    Shocks me how many Americans on this forum are just like "Well, you done did something they told you not to do, of course you deserve to get shot." That's absolutely mental.

  11. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by Thetruth1400 View Post
    While that may be the case, there is absolutely 100% no justification for shooting him. He was lying on the ground with his hands up trying to calm down an autistic man he works with. There was no threat at all to any cops.

    This is an actual instance where cops screwed up and someone got shot. It doesn't have anything to do with the color of his skin, but it's unfortunate he is black because it's just going to fuel the narrative that "cops shoot blacks" even more. In this instance the cops were in the wrong and should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law for illegal discharge of a weapon and, in the least, assault with a deadly weapon. This cop had no reason to do what he did, and should never be allowed to handle a firearm again for the rest of his life.
    It's "odd" that they cut the video there, maybe the guy stopped recording when the actual shot occurred? By the same token, the two articles listed here don't mentioned WHERE (on his body) the guy was hit. Doesn't seem they hit the autistic guy at all either.

    Really, this sounds like an accidental/ negligent discharge, not some cop trying to shoot somebody. Blame adrenaline and light triggers in a Glock/AR15 for the shooting. Heck, a "mosquito bite" might mean the guy wasn't even directly hit, we don't know. Guy gets lawsuit, cop gets retraining, no need for criminal charges (if my scenario is accurate, obviously).
    "I only feel two things Gary, nothing, and nothingness."

  12. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by lockedout View Post
    What if a murderer told you he was innocent, he just is because he says so?
    What if he was playing with a toy truck and had a 9mm tucked in his waitband. or the black guy did and it was just a ploy to get more officers in one spot to shoot them all? These are the things most likely running through the cops heads at this point.
    This ignores the fact that the situation was called in as a potential suicide.
    But even putting that aside. I'll take you up on that "what if". "What if" what you outlined was the case? I would seek to confirm the facts of the situation, not shoot people who have already surrendered them self.
    I agree that what you propose should be running through the officer's heads during the event, but the fact that the officers should be keeping it in mind does not mean the appropriate course of action was to shoot.
    That they should keep worst case scenarios in mind is irrelevant to what transpired because the officer should not have taken the action they did.

  13. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by Berengil View Post
    it's like cops don't watch the news.
    No, the problem is that they did watch the news. We got ourselves a Dorner situation all over again with this incident. Pants-shitting-scared cops + the perception of danger in an otherwise harmless situation + a dash of racial paranoia = innocent people being shot and potentially killed over literally nothing.

  14. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by Triskell View Post
    So believe someone you do not know making a call over someone right there. It is called open your eyes and look around. There is no way to justify their actions in this case, but you keep right on with the contortions of logic and the blind support of the police.
    I'm assuming the shooting was unintentional, and the injury was light, so the only thing left in question is them restraining him while they sorted out the fact a gun wasn't present (per the 911 call). Major fuckup, but nothing really NEWSWORTHY, IMO.

    And we're assuming that two streets over there wasn't some guy with a gun that killed himself because the cops got the address wrong from the 911 call, of course. :-p
    "I only feel two things Gary, nothing, and nothingness."

  15. #75
    Quote Originally Posted by Arewn View Post
    This ignores the fact that the situation was called in as a potential suicide.
    But even putting that aside. I'll take you up on that "what if". "What if" what you outlined was the case? I would seek to confirm the facts of the situation, not shoot people who have already surrendered them self.
    I agree that what you propose should be running through the officer's heads during the event, but the fact that the officers should be keeping it in mind does not mean the appropriate course of action was to shoot.
    That they should keep worst case scenarios in mind is irrelevant to what transpired because the officer should not have taken the action they did.
    As I said on the first page he shouldn't have gotten shot, BUT he put himself in a tense situation. Whatever officer shot him is a total idiot.

  16. #76
    Herald of the Titans Berengil's Avatar
    7+ Year Old Account
    Join Date
    Feb 2015
    Location
    Tn, near Memphis
    Posts
    2,967
    Quote Originally Posted by TheMediator View Post
    No, the problem is that they did watch the news. We got ourselves a Dorner situation all over again with this incident. Pants-shitting-scared cops + the perception of danger in an otherwise harmless situation + a dash of racial paranoia = innocent people being shot and potentially killed over literally nothing.
    What I meant was that it amazes me that more cops don't think " If I shoot this guy and it isn't a completely good and justified act, I'm screwed and there will be sht in the streets. Maybe I better back off and call for backup."

  17. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by Packers01 View Post
    ISo its too much to ask that the cops do there job and find out if its a gun before they open fire? And I'm clueless!

    - - - Updated - - -



    They did no police work here, that is the problem.
    I posted this info I found in another gun thread earlier today but its apt to post here -

    In London in the UK in 2012 armed police officers were sent to 2451 incidents. Of those in 634 there were direct threats to life and 416 guns were confiscated. The number of suspect fatalities was zero. The number of police fatalities was zero. If similar numbers of incidents and threat incidents occurred in Chicago or LA or wherever how many dead perps do you think there would be? Something has gone very wrong somewhere with police training and culture.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Quote Originally Posted by Kiwii156 View Post
    Shocks me how many Americans on this forum are just like "Well, you done did something they told you not to do, of course you deserve to get shot." That's absolutely mental.
    Its the alt-right wingers, they live in a different reality to the rest of us.
    Quote Originally Posted by Redtower View Post
    I don't think I ever hide the fact I was a national socialist. The fact I am a German one is what technically makes me a nazi
    Quote Originally Posted by Hooked View Post
    You haven't seen nothing yet, we trumpsters will definitely be getting some cool uniforms soon I hope.

  18. #78
    Bloodsail Admiral Rad1um's Avatar
    10+ Year Old Account
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    Azeroth!
    Posts
    1,151
    Cmon guys, we all share one thing in common; this website. Lets not treat each other like dirt and name call people for having an opinion. We're better than that.

  19. #79
    So where's the full video?, otherwise I'm not buying it.

  20. #80
    This is face palming part

    Kinsey said:

    “I thought it was a mosquito bite, and when it hit me I had my hands in the air, and I’m thinking, ‘I just got shot!’ and I’m saying, ‘Sir, why did you shoot me?’ and his words to me were, ‘I don’t know.’

    “I was really more worried about [Rinaldo] than myself, because I’m looking out. As long as I’ve got my hands up, they’re not gonna shoot me—this is what I’m thinking. They’re not gonna shoot me. Wow, was I wrong.”
    Last edited by Anevers; 2016-07-21 at 04:00 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by lakers01 View Post
    Those damn liberal colleges! Can you believe they brainwash people into thinking murder is wrong! And don't get me started with all that critical thinking bullshit!
    Quote Originally Posted by Rukentuts View Post
    I'm being trickled on from above. Wait that's not money.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •