Protection legion Discussion

[Bytch]

How many times can we hit IP to get capped? Twice? Assuming V;FR.

[Beardyface]

How many times can we hit IP to get capped? Twice? Assuming V;FR.

Roughly six times with Never Surrender. Roughly three times without. V:FR doesn't change the amount of the IP absorb, just the rage cost. I.e. a V:FR 30 Rage IP puts up the same size shield as a 60 rage IP without V:FR.

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Its not correct.

It matches up correctly with what's in my combat log. Am I missing something?

[Marok]

Its not correct.

It is correct. It's not the same as the tooltip value and it's not supposed to be. That WeakAura shows the effective absorb of IP. It literally shows the value of the absorb given by the game, I'm not sure how much more correct you can get.

[Vestig3]

Ah oké because the WA said 747k while the tooltip said 802k.

[Beardyface]

I don't know if it's been noted or not, but when Impending Victory resets via Victory Rush, it becomes rage free and heals for 30% until the end of the Victory Rush buff.

So taking Impending Victory doesn't neuter your solo questing healing. Not that useful in raids, but I thought I'd bring it up since I hadn't seen it mentioned anywhere else.

This didn't used to behave this way, so nice find! I can confirm seeing the same thing in testing just now.

[Marok]

Ah oké because the WA said 747k while the tooltip said 802k.

It's not the same as the tooltip value and it's not supposed to be. That WeakAura shows the effective absorb of IP.

Read what I said a bit more closely please.

[IKT]

Sorry to interrupt the theorycrafting but does anyone else feel weaker without heroic strike or intervene being separate from charge?

Revenge now being a frontal cone attack instead of targetted? Just stand generally in front of the mobs and revenge away!

No intimidating shout as a last resort?

Instead of having rally cry as an active raid saver we have a passive.

No debuffs to maintain, no raid buffs to care about.

Anyone else think Battle Cry is sorry excuse for a button? 5 seconds of crit woo? I don't understand how they can say

On refocusing: Over the years, as we’ve attempted to add new toys for every class in each expansion, we feel that the gameplay of quite a few specs has drifted away from the philosophies and ideals behind them.

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20743094425

How is giving an on demand crit button to a tank refocusing at all??? We have fewer defensive abilities and fewer abilities that assist in defending the raid than ever before, what were they refocusing us on? Becoming an arms warrior with a shield? Why not just remove shield block and demo shout as well. Reduce us to 4 buttons, "shield slam" for damage, "shield up" reduces damage by 150% and heals us, "generic aoe ability here" and "charge".

I feel like someone will come in and say the class isn't supposed to be challenging! If you want to play a game that isn't brain dead boring then do mythic raids, but that just leaves a majority of content that's not interesting.

sorry for rant had to get it out somewhere, delete if you want

[Liania]

Prot havent had RC for ages.

Debuffs to keep up? You mean deep wounds which in the past applied on pretty much everything you hit...

While the rotation is slower than before, I kinda like it as it is now.

[Beardyface]

I feel like someone will come in and say the class isn't supposed to be challenging! If you want to play a game that isn't brain dead boring then do mythic raids, but that just leaves a majority of content that's not interesting.

If you take the Vengeance and Heavy Repercussions talents (which will be the top performers in most situations), prot becomes more complex than it's ever been. I've got 6 buffs to track, I have to watch my rage closely to know when exactly to weave in FRs for maximum absorb values, I have to make sure I get enough rage in time to maximize all that without letting IP fall off, and I have to know when to delay using shield block in order to maximize uptime on SB via SS. I also have to perfectly time Neltharion's Fury (which is more annoying than fun), and I still have to watch my defensive cooldowns and raid mechanics like any other tank.

I have more fun actually playing prot than I think I've ever had. Sure, more raid utility would be nice. The lack of RFDT would be great. But those things aside I think we're in a really good spot mechanically.

[Bytch]

If you take the Vengeance and Heavy Repercussions talents (which will be the top performers in most situations), prot becomes more complex than it's ever been. I've got 6 buffs to track, I have to watch my rage closely to know when exactly to weave in FRs for maximum absorb values, I have to make sure I get enough rage in time to maximize all that without letting IP fall off, and I have to know when to delay using shield block in order to maximize uptime on SB via SS. I also have to perfectly time Neltharion's Fury (which is more annoying than fun), and I still have to watch my defensive cooldowns and raid mechanics like any other tank.

I have more fun actually playing prot than I think I've ever had. Sure, more raid utility would be nice. The lack of RFDT would be great. But those things aside I think we're in a really good spot mechanically.

Do you have any WA's for any of that? Or which add-on are you using to track other buffs and such?

[Beardyface]

Do you have any WA's for any of that? Or which add-on are you using to track other buffs and such?

I use weak auras and an addon called Auracle. You could do it all with WA, but you can add borders and other prettiness to Auricle, so I stick with that when I can.

My WAs are dead simple. Embarrassingly so. I keep a pretty vanilla UI. It's mostly Dominos, a Nameplate addon (Plater until they fix Tidy PLates), Skada, DBM, Auracle and WA.

If you really want them I could post, but they're just progress bars. They couldn't be simpler.

[Liania]

Ignore pain is disgustingly op atm, had lowest dmg taken on council tanking the 2 melee dudes.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...e=damage-taken

[Migrin]

Tested prot yesterday evening and i liked it more than I expected. Ultimatum, Vengeance and Heavy Repercussions made for an enjoyable setup. Overall there are some really wierd talents in our talent tree. I don't know if threat is going to be an issue but as a tank, 20% damage increase on a cd doesnt seem very exciting. Animations are great. I had a bug though, that a lot of times, my character would place his shield on his back midfight while still holding a weapon in hand. Can anybody confirm the same thing?

[Bytch]

I use weak auras and an addon called Auracle. You could do it all with WA, but you can add borders and other prettiness to Auricle, so I stick with that when I can.

My WAs are dead simple. Embarrassingly so. I keep a pretty vanilla UI. It's mostly Dominos, a Nameplate addon (Plater until they fix Tidy PLates), Skada, DBM, Auracle and WA.

If you really want them I could post, but they're just progress bars. They couldn't be simpler.

Yes, please! Dont need your ui set up. Just your stuffs for Prot. V;FR's..IP, SB(if any)....etc

Edit: I keep a simple UI.

[Alaexaender]

If V:FR is up and you have 31-44 rage, it's still a rage savings to hit FR before hitting IP, so do so.

If V:FR is up and you have exactly 30 rage, hitting FR before IP will cause you to break even and get the free stack of FR for SS, but you don't get any rage savings on IP.

If you have V:FR up, less than 30 rage, and you need to hit IP to survive or to keep your IP stack from falling off, do not hit FR, just hit IP.

Obviously if you don't have V:FR up, just hit IP to keep your stack going.

I feel like it should be modified, to attempt to only use IP when you can use V:FR at 45 rage.

I use TMW, not WA, but I have it set up to show which spell is next on the list (FR or IP), and then glowing borders around the FR icon if it's free to cast, and glowing borders around the IP icon if I'm at 30 rage.

I.e. If I have 30 rage and V:IP, it shows IP with glowing borders. I cast IP, and it shows FR (as I have V:FR). If I cast SS and get a crit, the FR gains glowing borders. I cast it for free, I have a total of 15 rage, so V shows up but without glowing borders. I find this is better, as a 30 rage IP saves more rages than a 20 rage IP.

[Deleted]

I was thinking of a macro to use as another Oh-Shit button. Much like the Expel Harm - Guard Macro you had for the Brewmaster.
It involves using Ultimatum and Vengeance for a Quick 60 rage IP even when low on rage
in order:
Battle Cry
Shield Slam
Focused Rage
Ignore Pain

Those are all on separate GCD so it could make a nice additional last-moment save.
You could pop a 60 IP rage even at 15 Rage with a single button.

I had a bug though, that a lot of times, my character would place his shield on his back midfight while still holding a weapon in hand. Can anybody confirm the same thing?

With how op IP is your character probably figured he didn't really need a shield

[phistoh]

I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask, but anyway:
Why can't my prot warrior use the "Glyph of the Weaponmaster" anymore? The glyph says, that it'll modify "Battle Cry" and that's an ability a prot warrior still has.

Is this intended or a bug? I didn't check if I could use the glyph in another spec. And iirc the glyph said something like "Exclusive with Classes: Warrior".

[Dalran]

Since there is a lot of talk about Weak Auras I figured I'd share the one I've been using on beta and now live.

Main HUD
Features
Rage Bar changes color based on how much rage you have for ip. Grey means you can't use IP, yellow means you can use it, but its not full strength, Purple means its full strength, and red means you're about to cap rage. It adjusts the color change points if you have Vegeance: IP up.
Shield block charges bar (First bar in the middle). When shield block is up it becomes a solid progress bar for the current duration. When shield block is down it shows 2 progress bars, 1 for each charge.
Ignore Pain bar(second bar in the middle) shows current IP value and adjusts it to match what is in the tool tip. The bars maximum value is currently max health since much more than that isn't seen often. The text will always show the true shield value. The bar will also blink when IP is about to expire for when you're trying to maintain it while not the current target.

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Buffs Bar
Shows progress bars for the class buffs such as shield wall, demo shout on current target, etc. All the bars don't actually start counting down until 5 seconds remain on the buff. For this I combined the 2 Vengeance buffs and Ultimatum into a single bar. It shows Vegeance IP first, then ultimatum, then Vengeance FR. The Vengeance bar also changes color and says in text which ability is currently getting the 50% off.

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you should really post a screenshot with that. farm some posts.

[Roiids]

Ignore pain is disgustingly op atm, had lowest dmg taken on council tanking the 2 melee dudes.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...e=damage-taken

Never played the new prot at all untul I did HC Manny/Archimonde last night... I threw up an IP before a massive blast.... and I was like UHHHHH DID IT CAST??? Oh wait it did i took like no damage.

Edit: I never play prot really, just for dungeons but I liked the new feel. I'm far from mastering that rotation and figuring out timing for buffing SS's but it seemed better than WOD prot.

I keep up with every single post in the fury thread but not the prot thread. I'll try to look at this one too.

One annoying thing was I couldn't figure out where the hell the heal combat text is coming from for the raid leach but it spams my entire screen. Once I can get that taken care of I'll be good to go.