Friendship Moose guy Silenced.

[Raiju]

The Auto Squelch system is to remove people quickly and are given a ban of something like 3 hours. This gives blizzard time to review the chat logs and then deal further punishment if they see fit.

As shown by asmongold the silence system lasts more than 3 hours, compared to the squelch. It can last indefinitely, and if you aren't a high profile case you can be pretty confident you likely won't see a response for a day or two.

[Kazgrel]

So about that whole "no one's gonna have dozens of people report them for no reason whatsoever like Asmongold did" I kept seeing yesterday...lul.

Maybe by this time next week, there will either be GMs in place to actually review these reports before the ban/silence hammer is swung (as was originally advertised), or they pull the plug on this system.

[Deleted]

You did not answer anything ; You keep insisting that there is a lie, when there was no explicit stated contradiction.

The definition of a lie, does not include omitting ; It is explicitly, presenting a intentional false statement.

Which, again, is on you. Your expectation != Reality. Your presumption, of "Facts", as was proven with the other posters, != Reality.

This might be hard for you ; But you are dead wrong. By definition. By facts. By logic, alone.

Can you cope with that?

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/lie

something intended or serving to convey a false impression; imposture
convey a false impression.

http://definitions.uslegal.com/l/lie-by-omission/

Even if you think lying by omission isn't lying, that's not actually a fact.

You also seem to think that a duration of penalty is the main part in this case. When the "temporary" one can even last just as long as the real one, being practically identical in some cases. Who knows if the investigation takes 24h+ in some cases?

[StaeleAilar]

I haven't followed it entirely but the essence of what i've seen about this on twitter is that the guy got a bunch of people to see if they could report him and get him silenced, and it worked.

It brought the issue of "guilty before proven innocent" to the front, where this new system appears to silence you IMMEDIATELY and leave you silenced pending any reviews that they say (there's no proof anyone reviews any of these at this point, and given the outcome of this example, either someone didn't do their job, or it was not reviewed) happen into the report, before either upholding the punishment/silence, or revoking it.

If this is the case, then it is a terrible tool. It will literally cause people to stay out of general and trade channels for fear of assholes being in a mood or wanting to grief others because they get a kick out of it.

What's worse is that Lore has been defending it and essentially blowing off all critiques of it claiming it cannot be abused, despite the fact that it has been.

[Deleted]

Google "lying by omission". Telling you this for the third time now. Open google.com, copy and paste the text into the search box, click Enter, then read links.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/lie

http://definitions.uslegal.com/l/lie-by-omission/

Even if you think lying by omission isn't lying, that's not actually a fact.

You also seem to think that a duration of penalty is the main part in this case. When the "temporary" one can even last just as long as the real one, being practically identical in some cases. Who knows if the investigation takes 24h+ in some cases?

Lying by omission is only mentioned in Legal terms, not in definition of the word of Lie ; Except for one paragraph, in one line, out of all possible definitions, in only that site. Not in the Oxford Dictionary, none the less.

You'd also be wise to note that Lie requires intent. If you prove that they intentionally gave the false impression, then they have lied to you.

Otherwise, it's not an actual lie.

And, thoose are also synonyms.

And whilst your concern for it being up, is valid - The alternative would leave with people being able to keep spamming.

The system has a intended function, and Asmongold was leveled with a Silence penalty, for knowingly abusing the system.

Moose guy's was lifted, Asmongolds was not.

Also, again, the Silence penalty != being Squelched. Squelch lasts until the investigation is complete, the Silence penalty can be a lot longer, and presumably, above the case of 1 instance of Silencing, is. (as in, 48 Hours, is not a very likely amount of time to wait for a GM to investigate)

[Paula Deen]

I honestly cannot believe after all of this there are STILL people in favor of this system.

Stop droning and open your eyes.

[rda]

I haven't followed it entirely but the essence of what i've seen about this on twitter is that the guy got a bunch of people to see if they could report him and get him silenced, and it worked.

It brought the issue of "guilty before proven innocent" to the front, where this new system appears to silence you IMMEDIATELY and leave you silenced pending any reviews that they say (there's no proof anyone reviews any of these at this point, and given the outcome of this example, either someone didn't do their job, or it was not reviewed) happen into the report, before either upholding the punishment/silence, or revoking it.

If this is the case, then it is a terrible tool. It will literally cause people to stay out of general and trade channels for fear of assholes being in a mood or wanting to grief others because they get a kick out of it.

What's worse is that Lore has been defending it and essentially blowing off all critiques of it claiming it cannot be abused, despite the fact that it has been.

You got everything right, it's guilty before proven innocent, etc.

Do you have a link for Lore's posts on that, by chance? I haven't seen them and would like to know what he said.

[Deleted]

Any feature that blizzard makes can be abused. thats the risk.
There is always 2 sides to it, never go fully one sided please.

Sure any feature can but this feature is highly abuseable, nowhere near what they pretended it was and basically gives certain people way too much power. Instead of helping with flaming and trolling, it will make it easier.

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I honestly cannot believe after all of this there are STILL people in favor of this system.

Stop droning and open your eyes.

There's people who love censorship, quite a few of them. They don't like opinions or world views that differ from their own much less "disagreement". You see this in online discourse where disagreeing with people on any topic increasingly devolves into them accusing anyone who doesn't agree to be "trolls" who "disrupt the discussion i.e their echo chamber. They do not like to be challenged on topics, any topics really.

[Sooba]

He got Auto-Squelched not silenced (Is what i've been hearing). The article was updated as that is what they now send out. GM's still have to investigate it and the Squelch system has been in place for the last 5 years or so. Also i would like to mention something about him, He said that this new system is a waste of time for GMs and they could be doing something better, And he went and purposely got reported and waste a GM's time that i found amusing.

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They did say that it still holds true, Theres an Auto-Squelch system thats been in place for past 5 years or so but blizzard never said anything about what happens to those reported so it never got any news or anything so now people are confusing it for this new system

It's not Squelch. Squelching lasts 3 hours. Asmongold's silence lasted 7.

[Deleted]

Sure any feature can but this feature is highly abuseable, nowhere near what they pretended it was and basically gives certain people way too much power. Instead of helping with flaming and trolling, it will make it easier.

The amount of time that gets leveled on you, is presumably higher around the first penalty, and almost certainly after the second and onwards.

That, combined with that you can get Silenced for abusing the system ; It still does what it's meant to do.

[Low Hanging Fruit]

Ideally it shouldn't be this abusable though.

This would just be silly. Just imagine what will happen to raiding guilds competing for realm first.

Agreed. It is obviously overly abusable right now. Blizzard simply underestimated the toxicity of the community which is fair. But we play a game now where people are more interested in finding ways to punish people rather than rewarding and connecting with them. Most sane people would have seen it. But.. it really isn't that odd for people in a high management position (like devs) to honestly have no clue about what is going on in their organization because everyone acts and practices differently when they are around.

[Deleted]

It's not Squelch. Squelching lasts 3 hours. Asmongold's silence lasted 7.

And a silence penalty is at least 24, so it's not a Silence Penalty either.

The difference is just implication of wether a GM is acting/intending to act, or not.

[Wildtree]

Asmongold got himself silenced on purpose by forming a full raid group and had him reported when he said he loved world of warcraft.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skWzi3o4oGI

Lol

I'm eating my hat on this one when I said this wouldn't happen. I'm surprised how fast it happened too, holy shit.

Asmondgold and Silencing in one sentence... That's an oxymoron.
He's one of those people whose mouth has to be killed separately when they one day die.
That dude has some serious issues.

[Deleted]

The amount of time that gets leveled on you, is presumably higher around the first penalty, and almost certainly after the second and onwards.

That, combined with that you can get Silenced for abusing the system ; It still does what it's meant to do.

First part isn't a retort at all. In fact it only makes the system worse. As it gives the wrong people way too much power. The second part could be seen as one but really isn't. Blizzard isn't checking these messages, they're not reviewing them as it would produce a HUGE work load and it shows. Which means the chances for you to suffer repercursions are rather low, especially if you get a bunch of others in on it and even if the person who got hammered by you manages to actually run down Blizzard, get a proper response, manages them to finally do a manual review and so on you can go "whoops, we all did it in good faith!".

That is if that person will even go through all of that, many people WONT. They will simply suffer that silence and never do anything about it. The system doesn't do what it's supposed to do and even if it would, it's a terrible idea to begin with.

[StaeleAilar]

You got everything right, it's guilty before proven innocent, etc.

Do you have a link for Lore's posts on that, by chance? I haven't seen them and would like to know what he said.

This is the main tweet that i saw, he has subsequent ones underneath and throughout

https://twitter.com/devolore/status/752962622962532352

[8bithamster]

Friendship Moose guy got his silence reviewed and it was reversed.

Don't bother... the anti blizzard patrol will not accept this and will rage about it until he at least gets 20 free max character boosts and money to compensate him.

[Joozt]

The amount of time that gets leveled on you, is presumably higher around the first penalty, and almost certainly after the second and onwards.

That, combined with that you can get Silenced for abusing the system ; It still does what it's meant to do.

1. you can't silence for abusing because it is subjective what people find offensive

2. The main point is you can get silenced without investigation.

3. How hard is it to find the ignore button ? it is there to mute people you find offensive

This silence system was clearly not well thought out.
1. It is easy to silence people wrongly.
2. Too much work for GM's

Just disable it already...

[rda]

Don't bother... the anti blizzard patrol will not accept this and will rage about it until he at least gets 20 free max character boosts and money to compensate him.

"The anti blizzard patrol" accepts that the silence was reversed, but notes that the damage has already been done, the reversal did not undo it.

[Joozt]

Don't bother... the anti blizzard patrol will not accept this and will rage about it until he at least gets 20 free max character boosts and money to compensate him.

There is no anti Blizzard patrol in software development sometimes you hit gold sometimes you create shit and than you just scrap it and move on to the next idea.

[rda]

This is the main tweet that i saw, he has subsequent ones underneath and throughout

https://twitter.com/devolore/status/752962622962532352

Thanks.

LOL, it starts right from the first tweet:

"yo: there's still an investigation when you get reported, the new silence penalty doesn't mean some multiboxer can insta-silence you" --- Not true. The new silence DOES mean that some multiboxer can insta-silence you.

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Ha-ha, it continues:

https://twitter.com/devolore/status/752965839192666112

"as mentioned in the blog, investigation is first." --- Not true, investigation is second.