Friendship Moose guy Silenced.

[Aeula]

Knew this feature would backfire. Now I have even less reason to interact with people in game.

[rda]

BTW, trial accounts can report as well:

http://i.imgur.com/773bWJX.jpg

(note "complaint registered" in chat)

Fun times!

[StaeleAilar]

Thanks.

LOL, it starts right from the first tweet:

"yo: there's still an investigation when you get reported, the new silence penalty doesn't mean some multiboxer can insta-silence you" --- Not true. The new silence DOES mean that some multiboxer can insta-silence you.

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Ha-ha, it continues:

https://twitter.com/devolore/status/752965839192666112

"as mentioned in the blog, investigation is first." --- Not true, investigation is second.

Exactly, which is why i shook my head when i saw the tweet. It's a blatant lie..

[Nurvus]

the gms do check the reports... idk if you know what happens with this system...

people report
tons of reports go in
person gets temp silence to "stop them from whatever their doing"

Do you know who arrests you in real life? The police.

Imagine if PEOPLE arrested you until the police has the time to review your case.

All that does is giving players the power to abuse.

The game has the Ignore option.
The reporters should receive a notification whether the person was silenced or not, so they can remove Ignore if they want.
GM should also punish the reporters if it is fake reporting.

"Silencing just in case until it gets reviewed" is awful.

[Makorus]

I mean, just because he is doing something nice doesn't mean he can't be spamming Trade.

And he probably was spamming trade.

[Nurvus]

asmongold received it because he abused the system

He showed that Blizzard lied.
Blizzard had no need to lie.
If it works the way you say it works, Blizzard could've said it.

Instead, Blizzard said you get silenced AFTER review.
But you get silenced BEFORE review AND if you are found "guilty" it "sticks".

[Wildtree]

I mean, just because he is doing something nice doesn't mean he can't be spamming Trade.

And he probably was spamming trade.

Maybe, and as he can be reported, so can the ones get reported that constantly spam the channels with their sales pitches.

But, that's not really the point now.
The point is how the temp silences apparently happen without much check, if any at all.

[TJkroz]

They need to keep track of reports that get reversed, and after like some number of bogus reports they should be able to flag an account such that it can simply no longer generate reports against other players (or they're just silently ignored which could be a capability they have and we'd never know about it).

The "Player That Cries Wolf" rule?

[Donald Hellscream]

You mean because he showed Blizzard lied.
Blizzard did lie.
Blizzard said you get silenced AFTER review.
You get silenced BEFORE review AND if you are found "guilty" it "sticks".

Well if enough people report you for spamming you will get squelched.. That even happened before this new penalty system. Although Blizzard probably should be a little quicker to review the actual complaints.

[FelPlague]

Do you know who arrests you in real life? The police.

Imagine if PEOPLE arrested you until the police has the time to review your case.

All that does is giving players the power to abuse.

The game has the Ignore option.
The reporters should receive a notification whether the person was silenced or not, so they can remove Ignore if they want.
GM should also punish the reporters if it is fake reporting.

"Silencing just in case until it gets reviewed" is awful.

i dont think you read my example, its more of "X is a murderer" and the police detain you till they check to see if you have any dead bodies in your house

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He showed that Blizzard lied.
Blizzard had no need to lie.
If it works the way you say it works, Blizzard could've said it.

Instead, Blizzard said you get silenced AFTER review.
But you get silenced BEFORE review AND if you are found "guilty" it "sticks".

how? the squelching system was allready in the game

[Deleted]

Lying by omission is only mentioned in Legal terms, not in definition of the word of Lie ; Except for one paragraph, in one line, out of all possible definitions, in only that site. Not in the Oxford Dictionary, none the less.

You'd also be wise to note that Lie requires intent. If you prove that they intentionally gave the false impression, then they have lied to you.

Otherwise, it's not an actual lie.

And, thoose are also synonyms.

And whilst your concern for it being up, is valid - The alternative would leave with people being able to keep spamming.

The system has a intended function, and Asmongold was leveled with a Silence penalty, for knowingly abusing the system.

Moose guy's was lifted, Asmongolds was not.

Also, again, the Silence penalty != being Squelched. Squelch lasts until the investigation is complete, the Silence penalty can be a lot longer, and presumably, above the case of 1 instance of Silencing, is. (as in, 48 Hours, is not a very likely amount of time to wait for a GM to investigate)

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/de...glish/lie#nav2

Used with reference to a situation involving deception or founded on a mistaken impression
(Of a thing) present a false impression:

Here's your Oxford dictionary.
I also found http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/lying-definition/ about it. There's a few thousand word philosophical text about a definition and how it should be modified. Words are subjective in the end.
In any case Blizzard was misrepresenting this situation. Which is very obvious from the reactions people have.

I don't think if normal people spam it's bad. What even constitutes as spam? Anything the reporter doesn't disagree with? Cursing is a silencable offence, as is anal[item]messages (of which there is a silence already in official forums). I don't believe silencing those is anything needed. My experience is either the chat is empty, or people have fun with shitposting. I don't think empty is a better choice. And here I mean every general chat, not just trade and city /1, raid instance and other zones too.

[Sylvaeres]

I guess they did a Hillary Clinton type investigation here. What a bunch of bullshit. These Friendship Moose guys have been helping random casuals for like 6 months, and they get reported by the sellers and get punished? Blizzard fails again

[Nurvus]

i dont think you read my example, its more of "X is a murderer" and the police detain you till they check to see if you have any dead bodies in your house

I don't think you read my example.
I'm saying it's not the police that's "arresting" you in WoW. It's the players - with the power to act like vigilantes until "the police" gets to review your case.
Asmongold got "arrested" in 30 seconds.

[Wildtree]

Imagine if PEOPLE arrested you until the police has the time to review your case.

That is actually a legal procedure, citizen's arrest.

[Makorus]

The point is how the temp silences apparently happen without much check, if any at all.

It doesn't take long to check if he spammed.

[Nurvus]

how? the squelching system was allready in the game

He was silenced, not squelched.

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That is actually a legal procedure, citizen's arrest.

Until court decides whether you're guilty? I think not.

There is no police in WoW.
It's Players -> GM (Judge).

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It doesn't take long to check if he spammed.

Which means there should be no automated silence.

[Deleted]

i dont think you read my example, its more of "X is a murderer" and the police detain you till they check to see if you have any dead bodies in your house

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how? the squelching system was allready in the game

Why do you compare the squelching system with the silence system? If you had watched the video you would know that it was the silence system not the squelch system. Even says so in the email. If Squelch system=Silence system, why did they introduce the silence system in the first place?

[Makorus]

These Friendship Moose guys have been helping random casuals for like 6 months, and they get reported by the sellers and get punished? Blizzard fails again

This bank robber has been feeding starving orphans for like 6 months, and they get reported by the bankers and get punished? The police fails again.

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Which means there should be no automated silence.

How do you know its automated?

[Wildtree]

It doesn't take long to check if he spammed.

We don't know that how long it takes for physical review of a report.
That depends entirely on 3 factors..

1. how many employees working the cases.
2. how many reports are in the backlog
3. how long does the task procedure take to work a report case.

Now, if you work at Blizzard and have that internal knowledge, share it.
If not, then we're as smart as before.

[Coolascancer]

I'm sure Steve from India did a thorough investigation.

I lol'd at this