Is Putin behind the refugee crisis?

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Djali, you need to contact one of your Kremlin handlers, this thread you started is out of control, you need help.

1. EU put sanctions on Russia
2. By destabilizing the EU, Russia got revenge and taught the EU a lesson, not to meddle with Russia or else.
3. The brexit vote was won by 1-2%, you can't tell me that voters worried about refugees didn't shift the vote to "leave".
4. The only nation that was happy about the brexit was Russia.

EU put sanctions on Russia which are hurting them too. Russia knows this. Russia would much rather have a positive relation with EU with flourishing trade. Also destabilizing Europe has no effect for the benefit of Russia or Putin. Orchestrating this all just to get petty satisfaction would only worsen relationships with EU, something Russia does not want. Not to mention Russia has from the start supported Assad and the established regime. Supporting the government against rebels is the fastest way to end the civil war and stop the refugee flow. If Russia wanted chaos they wouldn't be trying to restore order.

Your points about BREXIT are just meaningless. I have no idea what you are trying to say or how it even relates.

[Elim Garak]

Putin is a CIA agent, so CIA is behind the crisis?

[Aggrophobic]

They both share the same interest which is stability in the area. For different reasons maybe, but we both need stability in the area.
Problem is that we are pushing for a regime change that is (according to polls and elections) not wanted by the people, right after having done the same in two other countries with similar secular baathist governments, and having experienced a catastrophic disaster in both countries.
It's fairly simple. We're on the wrong side in that war. Both morally and politically.
What we are doing is not in our interest.

A lot of people would disagree. Not saying I am however.
Western leaders are way to proud to admit that they are wrong though but so would the russian leaders in the same situation.

As I said: It's "fun" to pick at each other.

[Deleted]

No Merkel is, as far as Europeans are concerned.

[ifrah]

Behind it, don't think so. Adding to it, would be surprised if not.

[Deleted]

No Merkel is, as far as Europeans are concerned.

Merkel? Merkel did not destabilise Libya Syria and iraq, which is why there is a refugee crisis now.

[Deleted]

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For EU it was expansion via Association Agreement - anything threatening it was worth destabilizing 40 million country of Ukraine. AND that had higher priority then relations with Russia too. Too bad for Ukraine.
For Russia it was Crimea and bases there - anything threatening it was worth outright annexation.

Are you doing self projection now? We have two competing trade alliances EU and Russia EACU who want Ukraine to join. EU are much richer and more successful and do not realy need Ukraine, Russia EACU can not alow Ukraine to join a trade alliance with EU becuse then its Russia and some small economies in EACU.

Now who have the most motive to destabilize Ukraine then EU are wining the tuge of war about what trade alliance Ukraine shall join, and especial then noting is allowed to threatening the Crimea bases, and a destabilize Ukraine allow for a outright annexation Crimea

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

A few times already, the idea that Putin and Assad are masterminding the refugee crisis has been posted on various threads.
I'd be interested in listening to your opinion.
If possible, in a civil manner.

I find the idea ridiculous. In my opinion, the refugee crisis is connected to the destabilisation of countries that were playing a key role in migration patterns, like Libya, Iraq and Syria. All countries that were absorbing workers and keeping theirs in.

What do you guys think?

Conspiracy theory threads are prohibited

[Deleted]

Because he hasn't broken the rules enough for 15 points worth of infractions in a 3 month period.

Yes. Shocking.

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None of the people that came up with it in these thread were infracted so...

[Deleted]

A few times already, the idea that Putin and Assad are masterminding the refugee crisis has been posted on various threads.
I'd be interested in listening to your opinion.
If possible, in a civil manner.

I find the idea ridiculous. In my opinion, the refugee crisis is connected to the destabilisation of countries that were playing a key role in migration patterns, like Libya, Iraq and Syria. All countries that were absorbing workers and keeping theirs in.

What do you guys think?

Last I read, Putin wasn't the guy, who "retired" Gaddafi.
And he was kind enough to warn Europe regarding this development years ago.

When events like these happen I ask every time myself: Cui bono

And the Russians don't have much to win, by weakening their most important economical partner with a migration wave.

[Deleted]

Last I read, Putin wasn't the guy, who "retired" Gaddafi.
And he was kind enough to warn Europe regarding this development years ago.

When events like these happen I ask every time myself: Cui bono

And the Russians don't have much to win, by weakening their most important economical partner with a migration wave.

Oh I absolutely agree with you.

[Deleted]

Yeh, firstly Putin sent in the military forces of the US and her allies to destabilise the region, and it was a piece of cake from their.

Oh now it's all clear!

[Shalcker]

Are you doing self projection now? We have two competing trade alliances EU and Russia EACU who want Ukraine to join. EU are much richer and more successful and do not realy need Ukraine,

To the point they even dropped requirement to free Timoshenko as signing date approached? Yeah, right, "we totally don't care if you join, but we'll sanction your government and freeze their assets in Europe if you don't!" (which is what they did)

Russia EACU can not alow Ukraine to join a trade alliance with EU becuse then its Russia and some small economies in EACU.

Russian Custom's Union offer was objectively better deal for Ukraine as far as keeping high-tech and heavy industry goes.

Now who have the most motive to destabilize Ukraine then EU are wining the tuge of war about what trade alliance Ukraine shall join, and especial then noting is allowed to threatening the Crimea bases, and a destabilize Ukraine allow for a outright annexation Crimea

For some reason it's EU. They lost in trade alliance offers and decided that "anything goes".

[Independent voter]

Putin 'weaponizing' migrant crisis to hurt Europe

Holly Ellyatt | @HollyEllyatt
Wednesday, 2 Mar 2016 | 7:00 AM ET

Russian President Vladimir Putin and his ally, Syrian President Bashar Assad, are "weaponizing" the region's refugee crisis and are using it to undermine Europe's security and unity, according to a top U.S. and NATO commander in Europe.


U.S. Air Force General Philip Breedlove, the supreme allied commander in Europe for the 28-member military alliance NATO, told a hearing of the U.S. Senate Armed Services Committee Tuesday that Russia and Syria were working together trying to undermine European security.

"Together, Russia and the Assad regime are deliberately weaponizing migration in an attempt to overwhelm European structures and break European resolve," he told the committee.

Syria's alleged use of barrel bombs against its own civilians, as well as Russia's "indiscriminate" air strikes in Syria ostensibly -- used to help the West combat Islamic State but seemingly targeting rebel groups who oppose the Assad government -- had been aimed at displacing civilians and creating a refugee crisis, Breedlove added.


"Barrel bombs are designed to terrorize, get people out of their homes, get them on the road and make them someone else's problem. These indiscriminate weapons used by both Assad and the non-precision use of weapons by Russia, I can't find any other reason for them other than to cause refugees to be on the move and make them someone else's problem."

If Russia is indeed using the migrant crisis as a way of destabilizing its neighbor Europe, then it appears to be working. The European Union (EU) is struggling with the numbers of migrants and refugees arriving on the continent, most of whom coming from the Middle East and Syria.

With over a million migrants arriving in 2015 alone, according to the UN, the new arrivals have put strains on the region's resources and political unity with southern European countries such as recession-hit Greece hit hardest by the amount of people arriving by sea.

Read More › Fears EU is self-destructing on migrant crisis


The migrant crisis has also caused widespread tension and division among European countries who disagree over how to manage and relocate and the migrants. A number of countries have closed their borders, effectively leaving migrants stranded in countries –such as Greece - and making the problem worse.

On Wednesday, it was reported that the EU is about to spend hundreds of millions of euros of humanitarian aid after the UN warned of a humanitarian disaster potentially building on Greece's borders.


Russia Vs. The West?


Continuing his warning on Russian military aggression, Breedlove said in a written statement to the committee, which accompanied his testimony, that despite the U.S. And Europe trying to engage with Russia as a partner in the past "it is now clear that Russia does not share common security objectives with the West."


"Instead, it continues to view the United States and NATO as a threat to its own security. Since the beginning of 2014, President Putin has sought to undermine the rules-based system of European security and attempted to maximize his power on the world stage," he said.

He told the hearing that Russian aggression was one of two "primary threats to our security interests," the other being growing instability in the Middle East and particularly the rise of the militant group, the so-called Islamic State, which he said was "spreading like a cancer."

Breedlove was speaking to the committee in support of more funding for U.S. forces in Europe, a region which the U.S. views as a key strategic partner to prevent Russian gaining more geopolitical influence. He said Russia saw the U.S and NATO as an obstacle to its reestablishing its position on the world stage and wanted to "rewrite international rules."

"Russia seeks to fracture our unity and challenge our resolve," he said, "Russia recognizes strength and sees weakness as its opportunity."

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/03/02/

[Deleted]

It's USA's fault, It's always USA's fault. :P

[Deleted]

Putin 'weaponizing' migrant crisis to hurt Europe

Holly Ellyatt | @HollyEllyatt
Wednesday, 2 Mar 2016 | 7:00 AM ET

Russian President Vladimir Putin and his ally, Syrian President Bashar Assad, are "weaponizing" the region's refugee crisis and are using it to undermine Europe's security and unity, according to a top U.S. and NATO commander in Europe.


U.S. Air Force General Philip Breedlove, the supreme allied commander in Europe for the 28-member military alliance NATO, told a hearing of the U.S. Senate Armed Services Committee Tuesday that Russia and Syria were working together trying to undermine European security.

"Together, Russia and the Assad regime are deliberately weaponizing migration in an attempt to overwhelm European structures and break European resolve," he told the committee.

Syria's alleged use of barrel bombs against its own civilians, as well as Russia's "indiscriminate" air strikes in Syria ostensibly -- used to help the West combat Islamic State but seemingly targeting rebel groups who oppose the Assad government -- had been aimed at displacing civilians and creating a refugee crisis, Breedlove added.


"Barrel bombs are designed to terrorize, get people out of their homes, get them on the road and make them someone else's problem. These indiscriminate weapons used by both Assad and the non-precision use of weapons by Russia, I can't find any other reason for them other than to cause refugees to be on the move and make them someone else's problem."

If Russia is indeed using the migrant crisis as a way of destabilizing its neighbor Europe, then it appears to be working. The European Union (EU) is struggling with the numbers of migrants and refugees arriving on the continent, most of whom coming from the Middle East and Syria.

With over a million migrants arriving in 2015 alone, according to the UN, the new arrivals have put strains on the region's resources and political unity with southern European countries such as recession-hit Greece hit hardest by the amount of people arriving by sea.

Read More › Fears EU is self-destructing on migrant crisis


The migrant crisis has also caused widespread tension and division among European countries who disagree over how to manage and relocate and the migrants. A number of countries have closed their borders, effectively leaving migrants stranded in countries –such as Greece - and making the problem worse.

On Wednesday, it was reported that the EU is about to spend hundreds of millions of euros of humanitarian aid after the UN warned of a humanitarian disaster potentially building on Greece's borders.


Russia Vs. The West?


Continuing his warning on Russian military aggression, Breedlove said in a written statement to the committee, which accompanied his testimony, that despite the U.S. And Europe trying to engage with Russia as a partner in the past "it is now clear that Russia does not share common security objectives with the West."


"Instead, it continues to view the United States and NATO as a threat to its own security. Since the beginning of 2014, President Putin has sought to undermine the rules-based system of European security and attempted to maximize his power on the world stage," he said.

He told the hearing that Russian aggression was one of two "primary threats to our security interests," the other being growing instability in the Middle East and particularly the rise of the militant group, the so-called Islamic State, which he said was "spreading like a cancer."

Breedlove was speaking to the committee in support of more funding for U.S. forces in Europe, a region which the U.S. views as a key strategic partner to prevent Russian gaining more geopolitical influence. He said Russia saw the U.S and NATO as an obstacle to its reestablishing its position on the world stage and wanted to "rewrite international rules."

"Russia seeks to fracture our unity and challenge our resolve," he said, "Russia recognizes strength and sees weakness as its opportunity."

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/03/02/

lol

according to a top U.S. and NATO commander in Europe.

The same guys that want to go to war with Russia at all costs.