German intel: more 'turbo-radicalized' neo-Nazis emerging

[Hooked]

All criminals need to be dealt with. The rise of right wing violence is scary.

There is no right wing violence. Merkel needs to step down, thats a fact.

[Tennis]

There is no right wing violence.

Article proves otherwise. Please read it and get informed.

[Hooked]

Article proves otherwise. Please read it and get informed.

1000 women raped in one night in one small area and you are worried about this bs?.

[Tennis]

1000 women raped in one night in one small area and you are worried about this bs?.

What does that have to do with this thread's topic? Please stop derailing the thread with a different issue.

[primalmatter]

Article proves otherwise. Please read it and get informed.

I admit to not knowing much about neo nazis but if they follow the same principals as regular nazis this is a rise in left wing violence not right...

[Vilendor]

Please stop trying to downplay this growing threat.

Do you realise that those numbers and statistics contain every xenophobic attack, not just against immigrants? For example the attacks against jewish people quadrupled in Germany since 2014 and the perpetrators are immigrants...

[Deleted]

What does that have to do with this thread's topic? Please stop derailing the thread with a different issue.

Because these problems are connected and what is being discussed is on the rise due to issues like these rapes? Or are we still pretending it's just 'men in general' that commit these rapes?

[Deleted]

Merkel just destroyed the believe in democracy, so the people are very disappointed and try to act by themselves.
If politicians would do their job right such things wouldnt happen....

[Tennis]

Because these problems are connected and what is being discussed is on the rise due to issues like these rapes? Or are we still pretending it's just 'men in general' that commit these rapes?

The issue is xenophobia and bigotry which is leading to right wing attacks. I don't see these happening in Canada so why should Germany tolerate it?

[primalmatter]

The issue is xenophobia and bigotry which is leading to right wing attacks. I don't see these happening in Canada so why should Germany tolerate it?

You don't live near a native reserve do you?

[Tennis]

You don't live near a native reserve do you?

I've known natives buddy. What's the issue?

[primalmatter]

I've known natives buddy. What's the issue?

Nothing it just puts a lot of things into perspective for me about you.

[Xzan]

Hardly surprising. It is what happens when representative democracy fails due to leadership doing what the populace does not wish. Multiculturalism is being forced upon the people in too intensive manner. Seeing that EU does nothing to stop the flow of illegal immigrants, radicalism on the side of Europeans is only going to increase. Election results are clear indicator that people are not happy.

[Deleted]

Do you realise that those numbers and statistics contain every xenophobic attack, not just against immigrants? For example the attacks against jewish people quadrupled in Germany since 2014 and the perpetrators are immigrants...

Good point. Interested parties heavily bend and manipulate these numbers as well:

"Insgesamt ist es 2015 zu 15 versuchten Tötungsdelikten gekommen. Auf die Bereiche PMK-links und PMAK entfallen jeweils 7 versuchte Tötungsdelikte, eine Tat war rechtsmotiviert. Im Bereich PMK-links ist ein Todesopfer zu beklagen." from an official government source:

http://www.bmi.bund.de/SharedDocs/Pr...373?nn=3316698

Short translation: 15 politically motivated murder attempts in 2015. 7 committed by the extreme left (PMK-links), 7 committed by extremist foreigners (PMAK), 1 committed by the extreme right. One person actually murdered by the extreme left.

The extremist foreigner murder attempts were mostly during clashes between Kurdish PKK and right-wing Turk organisation. Some parts of the German media quickly turned this into 8 right-wing and 7 left wing murder attempts.

Guess they only believe in statistics that they doctored themselves...

[Deleted]

The issue is xenophobia and bigotry which is leading to right wing attacks. I don't see these happening in Canada so why should Germany tolerate it?

No it's not. The issue is that refugees are raping, stealing and behaving themselves like assholes in our countries while our politicians are passive about it and our media is either trying to pin the fault at us or outright deny the existence of these problem groups. This has created an environment where people are afraid and desperate, where people begin to hate, which has lead to an increase in "right wing" support, because they do take up these issues. And with increased support extremists become brave. That is the reason and issue.

And it's not about tolerating xenophobia. It's about being impartial and fair towards it. Why is this such a pressing issue now that it is targeted towards refugees? We got xenophobes running around raping, robbing, beating and murdering 'kafirs' on a regular. Why is it suddenly such a disturbing development when it's our xenophobes doing it? Why is xenophobia targeted towards refugees more disturbing than xenophobia targeted towards other groups? Isn't it the same thing? Why does our xenophobia need to be battled with an iron fist while 'their' xenophobia is battled with love and tolerance? It makes no fucking sense.

[oxymoronic]

222 recorded attacks from a population of 81 million, the reich is on the rise again...

cut the hyperbole.

its over, all over.

oh wait she's a nutjob.

[Vilendor]

Hardly surprising. It is what happens when representative democracy fails due to leadership doing what the populace does not wish. Multiculturalism is being forced upon the people in too intensive manner. Seeing that EU does nothing to stop the flow of illegal immigrants, radicalism on the side of Europeans is only going to increase. Election results are clear indicator that people are not happy.

Finally, someone with braincells in this topic

[Slant]

Hardly surprising. It is what happens when representative democracy fails due to leadership doing what the populace does not wish. Multiculturalism is being forced upon the people in too intensive manner. Seeing that EU does nothing to stop the flow of illegal immigrants, radicalism on the side of Europeans is only going to increase. Election results are clear indicator that people are not happy.

Democracy is not failing. The fact that you get this report at all is a sign that democracy is succeeding. What's with you guys and the boners you get for saying things like that? The population is generally behind the Government. And why do people from abroad tell us what's "forced upon us"? The lot of you don't even live here, why do you think you've got some secret inside on what the average German suddenly thinks about the policies happening here?

Oh yeah, news reports... because those always reflect accurately what people are thinking instead of trying to just sell papers. Election results? Merkel just barely scraped by ruling majority on her own the last time we've had elections. And the AfD is falling apart these weeks. Right wing politics is failing. Big time.

And as for these "Turbonazis" (which is amusing, but really just means that they skip radicalisation steps) will be dealt with like anyone else. Is right wing criminality on the rise? Statistics say yes... is it dramatic? When we're talking 300 to 600 violent offenses (ranging from fistfights to knife attacks/arson), no... not a fuck is given. The authorities are the only ones concerned at the moment and this is a good warning flag for them. But it's nothing to hyperbole on this forum about.

[Deleted]

Uhm... What exactly do you expect after letting in millions of muslims who won't adjust, rape women, basically laugh at and exploit our system, there are more and more attacks in the news on citizens from muslims, and there isn't going to be a stop on immigration. The only people leaving or not coming are basically leaving because of such people, so their tactic is working and I don't blame them for it. Politicians can't protect us, so they have to do it themselves.

Neonazi's have always boggled me with their thinking, except for now I can totally get where they're coming from. Doesn't make it justified, but I get it. When you can hate people for no reason, that's where it's getting scary. But trust me there are more people getting angry then just neonazi's.

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Democracy is not failing. The fact that you get this report at all is a sign that democracy is succeeding. What's with you guys and the boners you get for saying things like that? The population is generally behind the Government. And why do people from abroad tell us what's "forced upon us"? The lot of you don't even live here, why do you think you've got some secret inside on what the average German suddenly thinks about the policies happening here?

Oh yeah, news reports... because those always reflect accurately what people are thinking instead of trying to just sell papers. Election results? Merkel just barely scraped by ruling majority on her own the last time we've had elections. And the AfD is falling apart these weeks. Right wing politics is failing. Big time.

And as for these "Turbonazis" (which is amusing, but really just means that they skip radicalisation steps) will be dealt with like anyone else. Is right wing criminality on the rise? Statistics say yes... is it dramatic? When we're talking 300 to 600 violent offenses (ranging from fistfights to knife attacks/arson), no... not a fuck is given. The authorities are the only ones concerned at the moment and this is a good warning flag for them. But it's nothing to hyperbole on this forum about.

Just because you are such moderate people out there and the average German thinks it's great how it's going with immigration, doesn't mean it's not a bad choice. We'll see in the end, I think Germany will slowly turn really different together with France.

[Forogil]

Good point. Interested parties heavily bend and manipulate these numbers as well:

"Insgesamt ist es 2015 zu 15 versuchten Tötungsdelikten gekommen. Auf die Bereiche PMK-links und PMAK entfallen jeweils 7 versuchte Tötungsdelikte, eine Tat war rechtsmotiviert. Im Bereich PMK-links ist ein Todesopfer zu beklagen." from an official government source:

http://www.bmi.bund.de/SharedDocs/Pr...373?nn=3316698

Short translation: 15 politically motivated murder attempts in 2015. 7 committed by the extreme left (PMK-links), 7 committed by extremist foreigners (PMAK), 1 committed by the extreme right. One person actually murdered by the extreme left.

The extremist foreigner murder attempts were mostly during clashes between Kurdish PKK and right-wing Turk organisation. Some parts of the German media quickly turned this into 8 right-wing and 7 left wing murder attempts.

Guess they only believe in statistics that they doctored themselves...

And you might still be falling for it yourself. What makes the Turk organizations right-wing? They are Turkish nationalists (very nationalists), and clash with left-wing supporters (PKK is more left-wing), but what other part of their politics is "far-right" (or even right-wing) by normal standards?

Using "right-wing" to mean nationalist would be confusing, since it would mean that Red Khmers and their genocide was "right-wing" since the Khmer Rouge were Khmer Nationalist Communists.

As for other attacks - note that some (many? most?) attacks on immigrants based on religion are done by other immigrants - due to clashes between different variants of islam, and attacks on former muslims for apostasy.