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Goddamn, he talked for eighty minutes before it became clear which way things were going?
And I thought some of the cases I've seen waffled on.
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2016-07-22, 02:51 PM #141Scarab Lord
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2016-07-22, 02:53 PM #142Mechagnome
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so basically the dude should go to jail and carry the rapist label for the rest of his life because instead of getting drunk and having sex as she proposed, they got drunk, he was extremely(?) mean to her - while drunk - and then they had sex. k.
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2016-07-22, 03:12 PM #143Pandaren Monk
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With a "not guilty" verdict.
Originally Posted by Tennisace
I don't know how Canadian jurisprudence works, but in the United States you must be convicted of a crime "beyond a reasonable doubt." I've told this story many times but I'm going to do so again. Back in high school I took a constitutional law class, and someone once asked the teacher what that meant. He asked a criminal court judge, and the judge said that he explained to juries that they needed to be 90% certain to convict under that burden of proof. That has been my benchmark ever since.
How can you be that certain in a he said-she said case? A rape kit might be able to tell you there was intercourse, but not whether it was consensual or rape. Absent other witnesses, video, physical injuries, strong evidence the accused is lying or something else to tip the scales, I just don't see how one can arrive at a 90% certainty level. Even if you want to, by default, believe a rape victim's claims, does that really get you to 90%?
And yes, I realize that makes many rape cases essentially unprosecutable and that is unfortunate, but I don't think we should put our finger on the scales of justice just because we think we should.“Nostalgia was like a disease, one that crept in and stole the colour from the world and the time you lived in. Made for bitter people. Dangerous people, when they wanted back what never was.” -- Steven Erikson, The Crippled God
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2016-07-22, 03:14 PM #144Void Lord
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It's probably like pornography. You can't define it, but you know it when you see it. Originally Posted by Canpinter
i.e. a question for the judge/jury, unlike blowing 0.08 on a breathalizer.
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2016-07-22, 03:16 PM #145Scarab Lord
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we shouldn't be basing law on "know it when you see it" Originally Posted by Breccia
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2016-07-22, 03:45 PM #146Titan
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What is the legal burden of proof for criminal conviction in Canada? Have they abandoned reasonable doubt? Originally Posted by Tennisace
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2016-07-22, 03:55 PM #147Titan
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It is a kangaroo court up there now. Originally Posted by Stormdash
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2016-07-23, 01:23 AM #148Banned
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The judge heard both sides and ruled accordingly. Isn't the how the judiciary should work? Originally Posted by Stormdash
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How do you know he's incompetent? Were you in the courtroom for every second of the case? Originally Posted by Master of Coins
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2016-07-23, 01:30 AM #149Titan
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Let's see how well this case stands up to the appeals process, if its overturned and the judge is sanctioned then you might have your answer. Originally Posted by Tennisace
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How do you even know it is being appealed? Originally Posted by Seranthor
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2016-07-23, 01:32 AM #151Titan
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So what you're saying is that all men who are accused of rape are guilty regardless of there being no evidence to that end? They just have to 'live' with it while their accuser roams free? Originally Posted by Tennisace
I say live in quotes because their lives are over at that point.
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2016-07-23, 01:38 AM #152The Unstoppable Force
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It should work by examining the evidence. Words from two people having been in a room together and alone are hardly evidence enough to find a person guilty in such a vile act as rape. As such, the only verdict that seems reasonable to me is "not guilty". Originally Posted by Tennisace
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2016-07-23, 01:40 AM #153Titan
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IF he's in fact guilty then I doubt he'd appeal, IF he is innocent you can absolutely bet he'll appeal this. Wrongly accused, wrongly convicted, an innocent man wouldn't stand for that shit. Originally Posted by Tennisace
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He did examine the evidence. There were lengthy testimonies. Originally Posted by May90
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2016-07-23, 01:45 AM #155The Unstoppable Force
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Well, I didn't read on all the details, but you were talking about the case "He said she said", which makes it sound like there is no other evidence beside that. If there was more evidence and it was found sufficient, then that is another matter. Originally Posted by Tennisace
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Please show me where it says he is appealing? Originally Posted by Slant
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I don't see anyone calling for the judge to be prosecuted except on here. Interesting eh? Originally Posted by Karon
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2016-07-23, 01:51 AM #157Dreadlord
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Great fact checking there in the Canada law system.
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Feminists=Woman's Christian Temperence Union incarnate confirmed. Originally Posted by Theodarzna
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You're not the Judge buddy. Originally Posted by Bethrezen
He is.
“Gray was very credible and trustworthy. I accept her evidence,” Ontario Court Justice Marvin Zuker told a courtroom. “Rape it surely was.”
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I absolutely see it that way. Originally Posted by The BANNzoman
Its just another cadre of harpies claiming to be defending the "Delicate Flower of American Womanhood."On MMO-C we learn that Anti-Fascism is locking arms with corporations, the State Department and agreeing with the CIA, But opposing the CIA and corporate America, and thinking Jews have a right to buy land and can expect tenants to pay rent THAT is ultra-Fash Nazism. Bellingcat is an MI6/CIA cut out. Clyburn Truther. Originally Posted by Crissi
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