German intel: more 'turbo-radicalized' neo-Nazis emerging

[Slant]

I'm embracing our human rights, should you fail to notice that.

So does the German Government, if you haven't noticed. It's not like they say "We're suspending our constitution so those Muslims can start raping us." What kind of shit is going on in your head? Any argument to drive your hate agenda forward, right?

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Read up on sharia, I'm not here to feed you.

Also read up on your basic human rights, if that is what you're asking.

Nobody gives a fuck about Sharia, this is Germany, not fucking Iran. Get that into your thick skull.

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Yeah, Germany's last bout with Nazism ended so spectacularly for them.

You know there is this huge swathe of positions between a Muslim holocaust, and the cultural suicide preached by the left?
You know, like, off the top of my head, no more immigration, more deportations, and harsh penalties for maintaining order - Or hell just maintaining regular order, you know by, like off the top of my head, arresting and prosecuting Muslims when they call for the extermination of Jews in Germany?
You know treat them just like they would be treated if it was ethnic Germans who said those things? (hint, that's upwards of 2 years in Jail)

[Deleted]

Honestly Soviets should have exterminated Germans when they could, world would be a better place.

[Deleted]

No, that's not what Islam does.
That's because:
1. Islam isn't a person.
2. That's what radical Islamists do.

Its beyond clear you don't know what radical mean.
also, those things listed, they are core tenets.

radical
adjective: radical
1.
(especially of change or action) relating to or affecting the fundamental nature of something; far-reaching or thorough.
form is long overdue"
2.
characterized by departure from tradition; innovative or progressive.

To be a radical Muslim, is to believe that women and men are equal, that gays are not sinners, and that apostates are not to be killed.
To believe the opposite of those things is to be an orthodox Muslim, or in many Muslim countries, just a Muslim.

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That is why I prefer to focus on the neo-Nazi's themselves

Why? - Some people prefer to look at the actual problem instead of pretending it does not exist, to look at something that barely exists.

[Slant]

Its beyond clear you don't know what radical mean.
also, those things listed, they are core tenets.

To be a radical Muslim, is to believe that women and men are equal, that gays are not sinners, and that apostates are not to be killed.
To believe the opposite of those things is to be an orthodox Muslim, or in many Muslim countries, just a Muslim.

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Why? - Some people prefer to look at the actual problem instead of pretending it does not exist, to look at something that barely exists.

Radical doesn't just mean Muslims that believe that women and men are equal, that gays are not sinners, and that apostates are not to be killed. Muslims that deviate from the normal way into the other extreme of jihad are radical as well. You should know that we're not talking about secular Muslims. It's kind of blatantly obvious that we mean the other side.

We are looking at the actual problem. But it's really hard to concentrate on a solution there when everyone is just screaming hate at the top of their lungs. When centrists like me start to sound like a leftwing liberal Muslim lover to you, that's when you should probably stop and think hard about what you're doing...

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Radical doesn't just mean Muslims that believe that women and men are equal, that gays are not sinners, and that apostates are not to be killed. Muslims that deviate from the normal way into the other extreme of jihad are radical as well. You should know that we're not talking about secular Muslims. It's kind of blatantly obvious that we mean the other side.

No, because to be a secular Muslim, that is to be a quite radical Muslim.
That seems to be the sticking point, Muslims who are secular, are radical -
ISIS is orthodox, not radical.

We are looking at the actual problem. But it's really hard to concentrate on a solution there when everyone is just screaming hate at the top of their lungs. When centrists like me start to sound like a leftwing liberal Muslim lover to you, that's when you should probably stop and think hard about what you're doing...

No the problem is not the random lunatics (i.e the people who are violent) , its the majority who thinks things that are completely incompatible with the western world.
See the violent idiots spring forth from a group who thinks those things - The violent idiots are hard to do anything about, but the group they spring from?
Them you can do things too.
Remove the soil the crazies grow in.

[Yriel]

Luckily, we have more than one news agency. Somehow it doesn't surprise me that this interview didn't make the big news. Because it's one bullshit host interviewing a random bullshit person in the USA. Nobody here gives a fuck about Drumpf. He is pretty much a racist and a sexist, that's a given... but nobody is actually surprised about that fact at this stage. We're more surprised that people actually vote for that bastard.

Yes it was an interview that they ran at quarter to 8 in the morning, of course it was not the most prestigious one. But it showed nicely how biased they are. I hear them every morning (since it's the only station my alarm clock gets) and i listen to SWR3 the whole day at work.
They are simply not interested in other opinions. The woman in NY had some arguments while she didn't think Trump was a racist. They were brushed aside with "you only say that because you are rich" and when she started to compare Trump with Clinton she just cut her off with "Trump is a racist and sexist, thats a fact". They always do it that way. Different opinions are not tolerated. And that happens in all state media channels that i watch/listen to. If a topic is about migrants and/or islam, the comment sections are always closed. If they think a crime is done by nazis they blow up the story enormously, it if turns out it was migrants they go silent.

Every single time. They only report news of their protected groups if they absolutely have to but don't shy away from starting witch hunts if someone they don't like does something.

Sorry but the state run (öffentlich rechtliche) Media is a total shithole. Thank god there are private news outlets that are not afraid to report facts but our media is in a sorry state.
And with all those censorship bullshit they come up with... i am wiling to bet that by the next election tweeting "Merkel is a bad chancellor and made bad decisions" will be considered hate speech and you have to fear a police raid and jail time. Right now tweeting that all refugees are all economic migrants lead to that person being sentenced to 1800 Euro with possible jail time if done again. Thats where we are right now.
Palistinans can run around shouting heil hitler without anyone doing anything and yet members of a closed facebook group that was anti-refugee were sentenced to several thousand euros with suspended jailtime not because of anything written there but just because of their generell way of thinking(Gesinnung).
Do you know when it was last time when people where put in jail because of their Gesinnung/way of thinking?
I am really afraid about what happens in our country.

[Ebalina]

Turbo-nazis this needs to be a MEME .

Ahahahahaha

[Damajin]

Maximum overdrive!

Thanks, dick. I had almost forgotten about that movie.

[BannedForViews]

http://www.dw.com/en/german-intel-mo...ing/a-19379532

This is extremely troubling.
I hope Chancellor Merkel and her government act swiftly to combat this hate. Germany has been a beacon of hope for Europe and it would be such a shame if that changed.

What exactly makes Nazi's the "right". If anyone remembers anything from their history lessons, Nazi's were pretty far to the left.

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Yeah... some people in Germany (German here) even vote for those trashy nazis. They copy the canadian migration system and thing this rightist shit could work in Europe. It will not. We will stand firm and make Merkel the light of hope in this sad world.https://mediendienst-integration.de/...ngsgesetz.html

Nazi's have and always will be leftists. It's hilarious they re-brand the opposition party as what they were, then seek to suppress it.

[Adarian]

Turbo-nazis this needs to be a MEME .

Ahahahahaha

white power rangers: turbo.

it'd still be better then mystic.

[Xzan]

I'm not rude, but I don't see why I should tell you that you're full of shit in a nice way. I don't believe in false politeness. You lot are irritating. I want you to know that.

You're saying "Ignore the good bits and focus on the evil bits (about killing unbelievers)"

Guess what IS is saying... "Look here, kill unbelievers! The Quran said it!"

Doesn't mean that the 90% other parts of the Quran actually support the idea of blowing yourself up in the middle of a street. Quite the contrary. But you know... you want me to ignore the 90% of that book that talk about living with other people in peace, tolerating other people and generally being awesome guys.

I understand that to preach hate, you'd have to ignore the bits about peace and harmony. And in this, you are just as radical as they are. The exception is... I can tell you to fuck off and won't have to fear some idiot coming round my house to stab me to death.

As for radical elements among Muslims, we know about them just as well as we do about nazis and antifa radicals. What you're not getting is that I'm not defending THEM. For all I care you can put all radicals from all fashions against the wall. But what I see here is you condemning ALL MUSLIMS for their radicals. And that's just plain fucked up. So before you arrogantly assume to know what I think, kindly take the time to READ the shit I write.

I don't think I'm right. I think I'm justified in my own moral standards. And I think your view is all kinds of fucked up and I wouldn't like to speak to you in person. But I will make sure that other visitors of this forum know quite well that your opinion and your message of blind hate and fear aren't worth much.

Well that's also a way to spin what I said. And please, stop with the nonsense about me preaching hate. I don't know whether that's a thing to stop people from talking back when you get into cognitive dissonance but desperately need to stay multicultural and keep your moral high ground, but it ain't working.

Why should I care about condemning just few instead of all of them? They're problematic ethnicity that will always generate higher number of radicals than I'm comfortable living with, so why even go into the trouble? They need to work their shit out first or they can stay in wherever it is they call home. I mean, how stupid does one need to be to defend Islam, when Muslims themselves are allegedly running away from it, but at the same time are set on spreading it across Europe regardless.

Also what did I say is fucked up? What in the hell? I didn't say anybody needs to be harmed. I am dead set on preventing that exact thing from happening.

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Yes it was an interview that they ran at quarter to 8 in the morning, of course it was not the most prestigious one. But it showed nicely how biased they are. I hear them every morning (since it's the only station my alarm clock gets) and i listen to SWR3 the whole day at work.
They are simply not interested in other opinions. The woman in NY had some arguments while she didn't think Trump was a racist. They were brushed aside with "you only say that because you are rich" and when she started to compare Trump with Clinton she just cut her off with "Trump is a racist and sexist, thats a fact". They always do it that way. Different opinions are not tolerated. And that happens in all state media channels that i watch/listen to. If a topic is about migrants and/or islam, the comment sections are always closed. If they think a crime is done by nazis they blow up the story enormously, it if turns out it was migrants they go silent.

Every single time. They only report news of their protected groups if they absolutely have to but don't shy away from starting witch hunts if someone they don't like does something.

Sorry but the state run (öffentlich rechtliche) Media is a total shithole. Thank god there are private news outlets that are not afraid to report facts but our media is in a sorry state.
And with all those censorship bullshit they come up with... i am wiling to bet that by the next election tweeting "Merkel is a bad chancellor and made bad decisions" will be considered hate speech and you have to fear a police raid and jail time. Right now tweeting that all refugees are all economic migrants lead to that person being sentenced to 1800 Euro with possible jail time if done again. Thats where we are right now.
Palistinans can run around shouting heil hitler without anyone doing anything and yet members of a closed facebook group that was anti-refugee were sentenced to several thousand euros with suspended jailtime not because of anything written there but just because of their generell way of thinking(Gesinnung).
Do you know when it was last time when people where put in jail because of their Gesinnung/way of thinking?
I am really afraid about what happens in our country.

Amen.
Is thoughtcrime already a thing in Germany??? It's even more fargone that I had thought :O

[boccko]

In my country I have freedom of religion.
One of the reasons our ancestors fought and died, multiple times in history even!

You don't give a shit about human rights.

Communism and national socialism is illegal in most EU countries. Public displays of imagery, denial of their crimes, and the like, all could lead to jail time. Those are two totalitarian ideologies (in a sense). Islam is a third, and it gets a free pass, because it's a religion.
I think freedom of speech got us out of the dark ages by allowing open critizism of any idea, I would go and die for it, should the need arise. Same for equal rights to all. Those concepts are foreign to islam. So yes, I think freedom of religion is retrospective in today's society, just as religion itself is (except maybe buddhism, modern psychology tends to prove them right). It was in fact a tool originally to break the power of the curch, and achieve the much needed separation from state.

You need to have better responses, if you want me to raise my eyebrow even the slightest bit.

[BannedForViews]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism...tical_spectrum

Seems like far-right.

So some liberal scholars write on a wiki page nazi's were "far right". Fortunately they can't rewrite the actual history of what the Nazi's evolved from, the German workers party, i.e. socialist party. Believe what you want though. I'm never shocked when I meet an ignorant human.

Since you like wiki, here is a direct quote:

"The Wall Street Crash of 1929 heralded worldwide economic disaster. The Nazis and the Communists made great gains at the 1930 Election.[35] Both the Nazis and Communists were pledged to eliminating democracy, and between them secured over 50% of Reichstag seats, which required the moderate parties to consider negotiations with anti-democrats.[36] "The Communists", wrote Bullock, "openly announced that they would prefer to see the Nazis in power rather than lift a finger to save the republic".[37]"

[boccko]

Why should I care about condemning just few instead of all of them? They're problematic ethnicity that will always generate higher number of radicals than I'm comfortable living with, so why even go into the trouble? They need to work their shit out first or they can stay in wherever it is they call home. I mean, how stupid does one need to be to defend Islam, when Muslims themselves are allegedly running away from it, but at the same time are set on spreading it across Europe regardless.

Also what did I say is fucked up? What in the hell? I didn't say anybody needs to be harmed. I am dead set on preventing that exact thing from happening.

There is a thing called collective guilt. In times of peace, it is not practiced in courts in civilized countries, and is generally avoided in public discourse. Terrorism, on the other hand, is a good example of collective punishment.
Two good questions are: where does our responsibility towards the refugees come from (other than basic human dignity), and is there some sort of treshold for determining that their lifestyle is incompatible with ours?
Also, it's important to point it out that some countires & and people have understandable reasons to be angry at certain other countries for exploitation during colonial times, and maybe even until today.

[BannedForViews]

No, pretty much the entire world agrees that Nazism is a far-right ideology.

Really? Is that your opinion or can you defend that with any semblance of proof. You see I can easily proof that Nazism evolved out of a radicalized socialist movement, so I guess if you take my facts, and your opinions, that makes socialists "far-right"?

[Berengil]

And how is anyone surprised by this? The left in Europe is absolutely terrified of even the most flimsy charge of racism. And thus they refuse to defend their culture and traditions from being overwhelmed.

Then, moderate, normal Europeans (who wouldn't normally for one instant dream of going to the far right) are left with little choice. The far left elite will not help them, so they turn to the right and the far right.

I imagine a great many Europeans are beginning to ask some version or another of a very reasonable question: "Other peoples and religions have lands where they ways are dominant and respected. Why can we not have this? We don't wish to take theirs, simply to keep our own."

The European leftist elite's failure to answer this concern fuels the European far right.

[boccko]

No, it's not.
No, you won't.

Just try it out. Also, national socialism is a left wing ideology. It's socialism, so high wealth redistribution rate, but national, meaning redistribution is restricted to members of the 'nation' only. It's good to get past labeling, and understand terms.

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Right now tweeting that all refugees are all economic migrants lead to that person being sentenced to 1800 Euro with possible jail time if done again. Thats where we are right now.

And the majority thinks like you, that is an excellent political opportunity. Sadly, this political system has so much momentum. We are left with hope only, that people will not tolerate being silenced.

[BannedForViews]

It's defined as a far-right movement.
Seriously, go troll your mom or something.

Are you that fucking dim? It is defined as? That's all you've got? Show me the proof. Seriously. Show me one shred of proof that Nazi's were far right. Just one. They were Nationalist Socialists. That is the truth. Just because all you know how to do is read a damn wiki page and parrot back whatever it says isn't my problem. I'm sure you also believe how it says Muhammad was a peaceful leader who conquered Mecca with the least blood shed in all record history of battles!

[Deleted]

right movement always spreads faster when politicians fail.

food for thought.

saying right is bad is like saying being fat is bad without changing the eating behavior.

Give your body good food and it will love you. Give your body toxic food and the fat will clod your arteries.