Why it's time to accept the fact that Brexit may never happen

[Deleted]

Will the people not be very pissed at the politicians if they ignore the result of a referendum?

Yes, and a referendum has never been ignored before. And the Tories got into power only very slightly, and nobody voted for Theresa May. So basically they aren't in a position to say 'fuck the referendum' if they want anyone to vote for their party in the next 10 years.

[Dextroden]

Has everything to do with promises, because as said before, no one is legally forced to follow it.

Fuck. By that logic, no one is legally forced to not be a despot.

[Deleted]

Yes, and a referendum has never been ignored before.

The Lisbon treaty says hello

[Kalis]

Citation needed, iirc unionists do not make up the majority in NI. If they did NI would've voted to leave but the results say otherwise. All it takes is two referendums, I seriously doubt ANYONE up there wants things the way they were before the Good Friday agreement & I doubt the EU would be happy with the current border if/when the UK leaves. That said though it would be a monumental (or suicidal) task for the ROI to reintegrate NI under the Good Friday agreement without serious issue.

Pro-Unionists do make up the majority, whether they are what you would call a traditional Unionist is another matter entirely, as many are Catholic. The last poll I saw was pretty overwhelming in favour of staying part of the UK, surprisingly so.

The only calls I have seen for an independent Ulster have been from Sinn Fein, which is about as surprising as the Queen being pro-Monarchy.

[Hana Song]

Obviously, but that doesn't mean that they couldn't ignore the vote.

Isn't that political suicide for them?

[Kalis]

Has everything to do with promises, because as said before, no one is legally forced to follow it.

They are constitutionally obligated to follow it, which is what is important.

[Azadina]

Isn't that political suicide for them?

Yes, as it was for the ones who ran after the result.

They are constitutionally obligated to follow it, which is what is important.

All polls made must always be followed?

[Kalis]

The Lisbon treaty says hello

That is another country, not the UK.

[Hana Song]

Yes, as it was for the ones who ran after the result.

So why would they ignore it then?

[Deleted]

The Lisbon treaty says hello

The Lisbon Treaty was not a referendum held to the British electorate.

[Azadina]

So why would they ignore it then?

Why did the Brexit campaigners run instead of giving people their victory, which they lead the campaign for? They could have done it right away, but ran instead.

[Dextroden]

Isn't that political suicide for them?

Yes. Of the highest degree, actually, what with this being such a huge one.

Which makes the conspiracy of not going through with it sound like some anti-Tory rot.

[Kalis]

Isn't that political suicide for them?

It would be political suicide for every MP, regardless of which side they are on, with the exception of the SNP and Sinn Fein.

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Why did the Brexit campaigners run instead of giving people their victory, which they lead the campaign for? They could have done it right away, but ran instead.

They could not have done it right away.

The PM needs to do it, Cameron was pro-remain, Theresa May took over and said she will invoke Article 50 when she damn well pleases. So who exactly could have done it right away?

[Dextroden]

It would be political suicide for every MP, regardless of which side they are on, with the exception of the SNP and Sinn Fein.

Okay. So it's less anti-Tory rot and more pro-SNP and Sinn Feinstein rot. I think?

[Azadina]

They could not have done it right away.

The PM needs to do it, Cameron was pro-remain, Theresa May took over and said she will invoke Article 50 when she damn well pleases. So who exactly could have done it right away?

So now you are saying that the politicians can infact ignore the result, if you claim pro-remain PM was blocking it. Pick one already.

Either you can't ignore the result, and it could have been done right away, or it can be ignored.

[Dhrizzle]

They are constitutionally obligated to follow it, which is what is important.

They're not, it was an advisory referendum not a legally binding one, and whilst it might be politically suicidal to ignore the referendum it might also be suicidal to start the process and fuck everything up.

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It would be political suicide for every MP, regardless of which side they are on, with the exception of the SNP and Sinn Fein.

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They could not have done it right away.

The PM needs to do it, Cameron was pro-remain, Theresa May took over and said she will invoke Article 50 when she damn well pleases. So who exactly could have done it right away?

Theresa May is also pro-Remain, there is no reason Cameron couldn't have put the motion to Parliament.

[Kalis]

So now you are saying that the politicians can infact ignore the result, if you claim pro-remain PM was blocking it. Pick one already.

Either you can't ignore the result, and it could have been done right away, or it can be ignored.

Who is ignoring the result? Who is blocking anything? Theresa May said she is committed to Brexit, but on her timeframe, which Article 50 allows for.

There was no "immediate Brexit" option on the ballot, I told you this earlier, she will invoke it when she invokes it.

[Dextroden]

Are you really going to be satisfied with a non-Brexit Brexit, because that is what everyone is predicting right now who doesn't think they'll postpone Brexit indefinitely.

Some agreement that will be called "Brexit" on paper, but which for 99% is just remain regulations.

Why call it Brexit then?

Non-Brexit Brexit. The fuck is this supposed to mean?

[Deleted]

Pro-Unionists do make up the majority, whether they are what you would call a traditional Unionist is another matter entirely, as many are Catholic. The last poll I saw was pretty overwhelming in favour of staying part of the UK, surprisingly so.

The only calls I have seen for an independent Ulster have been from Sinn Fein, which is about as surprising as the Queen being pro-Monarchy.

The last time we had a referendum on that here was several years ago, when did you read that poll? Unless it was taken in the past few weeks I doubt it's relevant to Brexit as circumstances have obviously changed. I'm only going to say "fuck Sinn Fein" as they have their heads up their arse with the rose tinted goggles deep in their colons when it comes to modern Ireland and will jump at any opportunity to go back to the past. That said, if you take the uncertainty of the NI relationship with Europe, possibility of (armed?) borders being put back into place, restricted movement, trade and rising nationalism, you can be certain minds have swung lately.

[Kalis]

They're not, it was an advisory referendum not a legally binding one, and whilst it might be politically suicidal to ignore the referendum it might also be suicidal to start the process and fuck everything up.

I did not say legally binding.

Theresa May is also pro-Remain, there is no reason Cameron couldn't have put the motion to Parliament.

He did not want to invoke it right away, she is talking about the pro-Brexit people invoking it.