My point is that it isn't the last move of her career. Ignoring the referendum would be, but going through with it wouldn't. Maybe she goes down in history as being the person who started what would turn out to be a disastrous exit from the EU - but that won't be known until many years time.
51% of the electorate who could be arsed to vote, more or less, seem to think that leave is the right option. I don't see how going through with that would end her career. By the time we feel the proper sting of the possible economic effects, she won't be in power anymore.
Borders are more of a Schengen issue and what EU politician wants to go down as the one that restarted the Troubles? Special provisions will be made, because it is not worth not making those provisions, it could cause an Irexit and nobody needs more nation-exit portmanteaus.
So many deluded people here, Ill just leave you to guys to fester in this pit of salt and grime.
what you fail to realize is. with the exception of a few places.. people voted out.
the Germans have agreed, out is out
the French have agreed, out is out
even May has agreed, out is out.
what makes you. a forum poster so confident? xD
the hubris is hillarious.
the vote was held. Leave won. grow up and deal with it. pasting a few bits from the independent (which it is not btw.) hardly means anything.
"There are no substitutes for violence of action and volume of fire. Move forward and shoot, always forward and shooting. The enemy will choose to fight and die or live and run either way move forward and shoot and he will fear you absolutely."
- Otto Skoernzy
If they are going to stay they should make that clear fast, EU won't stand for that ambiguity for long as it hurts the economy more the longer they wait.
About the UK citizens living in the EU; most of them prolly already have taken actions to get citizenship for the country they live in, usually quite easy as they have been here for several years.
I just found it rather hilarious that after the leave campaign won, all the leave figure heads didn't actually want to lead anything. so the ppl who may have had some sort of plan decided they actually didn't want to try to corral the fustercluck, nigel farrage stopping being a politician was basically like the ultimate dose of irony. it just goes to show they never had any sort of plan for winning. wouldn't have been so bad if they actually stepped up after creating all that pointless hot air. now were left with politicians that didn't want this, apparently trade negotiations are going ok, i did read that countries are trying to secure new deals already.
but I personally saw the benefit in the single market, I can understand nationalism if you live in the middle ages, the world most likely felt a whole lot bigger, but globalism is kinda more important in these modern times. we're never going to get over our petty differences if we keep each other at arms reach.
Last edited by Heathy; 2016-07-23 at 10:20 AM.
if brexit doesnt happen UK is not worth more than the banana state of turkey. like it or it not it got voted.
You have this all hopelessly wrong.
There was never a "plan" for either side, at least in the way you are implying.
There were various reasons why leaving won the vote.
1) Remote governance whereby external courts can overrule our own.
2) The complete inability to create free trade deals without the other 27 states agreeing on every letter.
3) Immigration controls.
These were the three main issues and the issues require addressing.
The first point is easy to address, revoke the European Communities Act.
The second is the reason Article 50 is being delayed, as we discuss, the UK is already in negotiations with countries outside of the EU to setup free trade deals. The moment we enact article 50, we can begin what we've been hindered from doing for 40 years... Free Trade.
The third issue is to quite simply put, have control over the country's immigration, this does not mean no immigration.
The UK is essentially leaving a job to find a new job. You do not leave your current one until you have a new one lined up. What you're suggesting is that the UK just quits and then finds itself in a tight spot without any job to go to... Despite the decision being ENTIRELY up to the UK. The UK can invoke the article WHENEVER they want and WHENEVER they feel ready.
Oh, a tiny bit of Brexit: UK said goodbye to its presidency of EU council in 2017.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presid...t_of_rotations
http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles...us-helm.619585
the real decision is still the invocation of article 50, dont be fooled. you can resign from the presidency easily without merits to the idea afterwards.
To be blunt: in referendum without limits a 52 % vote out of ~70% attending population is the same as a 99,9 % vote of all voters. And the minority is expected to stay silent, as per democracy rules the minority has no say and is of utter irrelevance.
Tyranny of the dumb ? yup, is possible, but democracy is per definition infallible and the result of majority vote is always the best decision ever, moronic or not.
That is not how democracy works at all.
Take any other election as an example. The Tory party won the last election, but that doesn't mean that all other parties are expected to remain silent in Westminster until 2020. Not every parliamentary vote is a whipped vote, and the opposition has the right to make their case to members of the majority party. If members of the majority party are convinced by these arguments that the official party line of the majority party does not benefit their constituents then they may vote against the party line. (in the case of an open vote)
Brexit itself wasn't the party line of the leadership of the majority party in government.
The same is true with this. Maybe brexit is inevitable, maybe it isn't. I don't know. What I do know is that there are thousands upon thousands of decisions involved if we do leave. There are thousands of different versions of brexit that could happen. People who campaigned to remain in the EU are just as entitled to a voice on what brexit should look like as those who campaigned to leave.
Last edited by klogaroth; 2016-07-23 at 01:09 PM.
ok, parliament has opposition and sometimes even majority changes, usually leading to general elections. But with a referendum the vote is absolute; no second chance given and definetely no second chance to change your own vote. A referendum is much harsher than election in such matters.
You can avoid brexit completely, if you ( read westminster and politicians elsewhere) are bold enough and declare the ref a silly idea of uninformed people or a risk too high regarding economics and complicated rulesets.
Maybe Scotland "helps" you by cast a veto May somehow accepts to "preserve the union" or whatever she can made up.