Guilty verdict in "he said she said" case changes the landscape of Criminal Justice

[Cooper]

I just want to point out that "not struggling" is not indicative of not being raped. In fact, somebody struggling during an assault may get themself killed. Some people get off on their victim struggling. Some don't. Not all rapes are the same.

[Deleted]

I seriously believed that the story had been changed in some way when I first read it... So I looked around, and I can not find ANYTHING for the case to have been judged on other than the testimony of the two involved... As far as I have been able to determine the verdict really WAS given based 100% off of the judges belief in her testimony.

This is so far past ridiculous in a modern legal system it is unbelievable.

had the same thought. was convinced this was a bad joke. Apparently you are guilty, just plain guilty if accused of rape nowadays. No evidence needed at all it seems.

this verdict is basically saying man = rapist irrespective of any sort of logic.

It will be appealed, a non retarded judge will likely throw it out. Guys life is pretty much ruined because a judge decided you don't need evidence anymore to convict someone of rape.

[Chrysia]

I just want to point out that "not struggling" is not indicative of not being raped. In fact, somebody struggling during an assault may get themself killed. Some people get off on their victim struggling. Some don't. Not all rapes are the same.

Nobody is saying differently, but lack of struggle means there's going to be little or no physical evidence of rape, unless the guy is a bit bigger than average, in which case going in dry may result in tearing. Lack of physical evidence hurts a criminal case.

[Cooper]

Nobody is saying differently, but lack of struggle means there's going to be little or no physical evidence of rape, unless the guy is a bit bigger than average, in which case going in dry may result in tearing. Lack of physical evidence hurts a criminal case.

There are plenty of people in this thread saying that "not struggling" is evidence that the accuser wasn't raped.

[Deleted]

Lyrics amateur... typical.
A pro would have said "It's a kind of magic", not magical.

And, the escape line was redundant to change.. No escape from reality fits even better.
The comedy though is from the fact, that the guy in the song is indeed guilty, for murderer.
Bad overall choice.

For your intend, go with this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jkm0aJMH2cI

~~~~~
The cops took me to a little room where the bright lights shine
There was ten poor souls like me standin' in that line
I knew I was the victim of somebody's evil plan
When a stool pigeon looked at me an' he said that's your man!

But I was framed
Framed
Framed
I never did nothing
But I was framed
Framed
Framed
~~~~

Over the hills works too!


They came for him one winter's night
Arrested he was bound
They said there'd been a rapery
His victim had been found

He had to fight the tears of rage
His heart beat like a drum
For he and his wicked girlfriend
had spent his final night of freedom.

[Berengil]

She needs evidence, like everyone else.

We even let murder-cases go because there is no evidence, why would rape of a woman be any different?

This courtcase just seems to be sending the message to men: "If you rape a woman, murder her afterwards, since she can get you into trouble without evidence"


Women are over-privileged in our society.

This right here, x 10000000000000000.

If there is evidence? Bury the fcker. No evidence? Too gddmn bad.

Innocent. Until. PROVEN. Guilty.

[Aehl]

Hope the "sisterhood" realises that what theyve just done is to basically tell every single man out there: date at your dire peril of rape accusations.

*strikes Canada off his visit iist*

[Tennis]

So if she's not telling the truth then the guy just got convicted because of her lie... Do you not find that troubling? If she's lying then everyone is now at risk of being wrongly accused and wrongly convicted, regardless of whether they were 'going to pursue criminal acts'.

Of course it is trouble if indeed the man was innocent. Why would we think he is if the judge didn't think so? He's the person who has proven his worth to be chosen for such a position and as a result we defer to him.

[Aehl]

Why would we think he is if the judge didn't think so? He's the person who has proven his worth to be chosen for such a position and as a result we defer to him.

Judges never screw up and have no poilitical or personal agenda...are you REALLY this naive?

[Tennis]

Kicking at windmills? Do you believe that this case actually changed the landscape of criminal justice? It's a headline written by a paper in Toronto. It hasn't changed shit. People have been convicted on the basis of testimonial evidence for literally centuries. And yet people want to use this case to fit their narrative about a problem that isn't extensive.

It's the most widely read newspaper in Canada. Don't act like it's a noname newspaper.

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There's no way this holds up on appeal anyway. Or at least I can't imagine it would.

The judge seems like the very picture of bias. Not to mention apparently overeager to make sure that the world knows that he's a "good guy".

There is no appeal. Shows how much you have read of this case. Talk about responding to the title only. Cmon man. You can do better.

[Canpinter]

Of course it is trouble if indeed the man was innocent. Why would we think he is if the judge didn't think so? He's the person who has proven his worth to be chosen for such a position and as a result we defer to him.

Again i will ask you what could an innocent person do to prove their innocence when the burden of proof for conviction is simply the word of the accuser and some extremely flimsy circumstantial evidence.

[Tennis]

Don't reply to me. You're not going to discuss anything.

So you you posted something that is a blatant lie and now you don't want anyone calling you out on it?

[Ryme]

How was there no evidence?

http://static1.squarespace.com/stati...v+Ururyar+2016

Have a read.

This needs to be lamented or preserved or something, just an incredible case that everyone should be aware of. What a miscarriage of justice.

[Zenotetsuken]

It is innocent until PROVEN guilty, not guilty until decided guilty.
This was a disgusting verdict, and I hope for the sake of humanity that the judge gets stripped permanently of any power or potential power. He decided to ruin someone's life, simply to make a statement.

What's that thing that we call someone who uses violence or intimidation in an attempt to force people to adhere to their political agenda?...
It's right on the tip of my tongue...
starts with a "T"...
Oh yeah, Terrorist.

[Halicia]

It is innocent until PROVEN guilty, not guilty until decided guilty.

Is that actual law in Canada ?

[Putin-Chan]

It's the most widely read newspaper in Canada. Don't act like it's a noname newspaper.

It's read by 8 people in retirement homes rather than the 7 who read the competitor. Seriously, who reads newspapers anymore?

[Tennis]

You are only a third world country if this is upheld in appeal. So, it remains to be seen.

What appeal? There isn't going to be an appeal.

[Aehl]

What appeal? There isn't going to be an appeal

And you know this..how?

[Seranthor]

Of course it is trouble if indeed the man was innocent. Why would we think he is if the judge didn't think so? He's the person who has proven his worth to be chosen for such a position and as a result we defer to him.

Maybe YOU defer to him... after this I wouldn't trust this judge to adjudicate a traffic ticket.

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What appeal? There isn't going to be an appeal.

IF there isn't an appeal is a result of 1 of 2 things...
1) the defendant actually DID do it and doesn't want to fight anymore or 2) Legal malpractice

And given that its only been 2 days since the verdict YOU cant know for certain whether there IS going to be an appeal or not.

[Tennis]

Maybe YOU defer to him... after this I wouldn't trust this judge to adjudicate a traffic ticket.

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IF there isn't an appeal is a result of 1 of 2 things...
1) the defendant actually DID do it and doesn't want to fight anymore or 2) Legal malpractice

And given that its only been 2 days since the verdict YOU cant know for certain whether there IS going to be an appeal or not.

Society defers to him. That's why he's the judge. That's why there isn't much uproar and why the case is being largely praised. Why there isn't an appeal.