Self healing all but gone?

[Gemini Soul]

You can't use a bandage while you're being attacked by something, it interrupts and wastes it.

Stun/CC, move outa bad, stop attacking etc and it wont break

[Rivin]

I don't know. Many players here say, that all self-heals have been nerfed. No, I don't do old raids, so I don't care about them, but I want content to still be enjoyable for me. WOD content is still built around the same concept, game has been built since Cata - higher density of mobs, higher spawn rates, that require higher survivability. Nerfing all self-heals = going to Vanilla era, where you were playing "Who'll die first?" and "Wait for bandage CD to end" games with every second mob. I know, that Artefact will fix it. The problem is in fact, that Artefact - is Legion feature and...I'm not going to buy Legion within at least a year since now.

Having done Tanaan a bit now on Feral, Windwalker, and Fury, I can say that at least for these specs the game definitely hasn't returned to Vanilla style recovery between pulls. I do take more damage than before, especially when pulling two elites at a time, but I never feel like I'm in danger of dying, and I have yet to need to use a healing potion or bandage (as if I would even bother to carry bandages, ha).

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Stun/CC, move outa bad, stop attacking etc and it wont break

Not every spec has decent CCs available, nor does that stop DoTs from breaking bandages. Nor does it help the fact that bandages heal for practically nothing, which means you basically wasted your CC cooldown using one.

[tangers58]

Every expansion the game gets dumbed down some more.

[Osmeric]

Every expansion the game gets dumbed down some more.

So, going from Wrath to Cataclysm, the game became "dumbed down"? I guess that's why raid participation was so high in the first two tiers of Cataclysm, when any random scrub could do the dumbed-down content.

[Raugnaut]

No they aren't and no it hasn't.

Blizzard has outright said that the intended way for Tanks to lvl up is with massive grouping and steady AoE, and that they've designed it that way since MoP, rather then increasing Tank's damage to be close to DPS.

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It's been nerfed to 4%. It won't help much in current content. Sure won't help keep a solo tank alive anymore.

It previously was only 7%. Even at 4%, the effect of leech is huge. Hell, even .5% adds up over a fight, turning what was an unsoloable fight into a barely-soloable fight. ANY amount of Leech is significantly greater then 0% leech, after all.

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Fury still has really good self-healing. Feral's Healing Touches got buffed, but they lost Rejuvenation in Cat Form; not sure how that balances out. Windwalker's self-healing is much better now than before. So it's not all completely gutted, just...a lot of it.

For feral, as there are no longer any defensive benefits to Cat form, its a slight loss in damage, and QoL loss. However, gaining Swiftmend is a fairly large buff to self-healing, and there is even an artifact trait that increases dodge chance and armor by 100% when shifting out of cat form, further increasing survivability.

For soloing, the following classes got nerfed in terms of self-healing

Hunters (No longer have Spirit Bond)
Shamans (Loss of Flame Shock healing. Loss of HST.)
DKs (No longer have Lichbourne and Deathsiphon)
Warrior (No longer have second wind Leech)

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All classes should have a decent amount of self-healing, tbh. I can't solo some raids due to lack of self-healing.

[Rivin]

For feral, as there are no longer any defensive benefits to Cat form, its a slight loss in damage, and QoL loss. However, gaining Swiftmend is a fairly large buff to self-healing, and there is even an artifact trait that increases dodge chance and armor by 100% when shifting out of cat form, further increasing survivability.

That trait only works if you stay out of Cat Form, though, so it's rather limited in usability (probably great with Guardian Affinity though since you get a big armor boost from Bear Form that stacks with the armor boost from Ashamane's Protection).

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Stun/CC, move outa bad, stop attacking etc and it wont break

GL trying to CC a raidboss.

[Gemini Soul]

GL trying to CC a raidboss.

Move outa bad/stop attacking

[Rivin]

Move outa bad/stop attacking

That doesn't prevent pulse damage...

[Gemini Soul]

That doesn't prevent pulse damage...

Not every boss has pulse damage, not all pulse damage happens during the entire fight

[Rivin]

Not every boss has pulse damage, not all pulse damage happens during the entire fight

So in fights or phases with pulse damage you just shouldn't be able to heal yourself at all?

You keep acting like bandages are so great but they require so many conditions to line up to make them even work.

[Gemini Soul]

So in fights or phases with pulse damage you just shouldn't be able to heal yourself at all?

You keep acting like bandages are so great but they require so many conditions to line up to make them even work.

Potion/lock stone, its called knowing when to use what.

And i never said they were great

[Rivin]

Potion/lock stone, its called knowing when to use what.

And i never said they were great

Yes, potions are great, but they have a one-per-fight restriction, which limits their usefulness a lot too. And that still doesn't make bandages any less useless.

[darklogrus]

Not every boss has pulse damage, not all pulse damage happens during the entire fight

Sure feels like every boss had pulse damage and splash damage the whole entire fight.

[kary]

ITT bads complaining about non-issues.
The only class w/o self heals are mages, everyone else has to sac some dps to do it, which is a good thing.

I'll wait till you get to 110 and a frost dk goes from 4 to 100% health in a global.

Re: hunters, the loss of spirit bond is kinda shitty, but 2/3 specs have camo which heal 2%/sec and the one that doesn't has a pet that heals. The game is fine, learn to play. Spirit bond in 6.xx was too strong anyway.

[Gemini Soul]

Yes, potions are great, but they have a one-per-fight restriction, which limits their usefulness a lot too. And that still doesn't make bandages any less useless.

If you need to heal your self up that much during a raid encounter, then either you need to learn to use personals/avoid bad or your healers suck. Potions/bandages are meant to be used in emergency situations not used every time your HP drops by 5%

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Sure feels like every boss had pulse damage and splash damage the whole entire fight.

That is because HFC has been on farm forever, we out gear it, and people don't bother doing most of the mechanics any more.

[Deleted]

Yeah I have Ice Barrier and that's it for self healing. I also don't have remove curse anymore, so what exactly am I supposed to do against Affliction Warlocks right now who seem unkillable?

[Rivin]

If you need to heal your self up that much during a raid encounter, then either you need to learn to use personals/avoid bad or your healers suck. Potions/bandages are meant to be used in emergency situations not used every time your HP drops by 5%

You specifically said earlier in the thread "bandages are for healing during combat", not "for emergency situations". And even then, emergency situations are the worst time to use bandages because of how terrible they are. You're better off running away because using a bandage will just get you killed.

As someone who's primarily played healer hybrid DPS specs, having reliable self-heals is a huge stress reliever even in group situations with healers. Bandages and potions are not reliable.

[Deadite]

It's less than what the glyphed version gave in WoD, also 5 mins cooldown per charge, bandages would be more efficient.

I never said it was good self healing just that it exists.