Why are you a Republican or Democrat?

[Stormspellz]

SCOTUS upheld it, stop worrying about it. The GOP can't do shit.



Look at that

https://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/eop/cwg

I guess thats not factual. There is none for men and boys.




A nation has to have one culture to be a nation. America has an american culture. The communities did things a little different based on where they came from but they were Americans first. American is not a bunch of different cultures living together (or at least it wasn't) it was 1 culture that was a little different here or there but was still mostly the same. Multiculturalism doesn't work.


Yet the people who live there still see those as the law of the land. No its nothing like that because my local soft ball league doesn't demand honor killings and acid thrown into girls' faces if they refuse to be some dude's 4th wife.

I was referring to France and i think you know that. Before you say it doesn't have any relevance here, Hiliaey wants to invite more muslims here and thats how France became that way in the first place. South Florida has become a non american country due to invasions of cubans over the years. That is what I am referring to with immigration being hurtful to the native culture. I think you are purposely interpreting me wrong to try to discredit what I am saying by calling it rhetoric. I think you just don't have any other argument to use.



Please link your source so we can make sure methodology is correct. Why don't you count all the potential islamic attacks that were prevented. Islam has been trying to conquer the west since it came to be. The islamic terrorist is much more important to deal with than some eco non sense that doesn't bomb/shoot up everyday locations.

Are you telling me that you couldn't just stop giving a business your money and go somewhere else if they were known to discriminate? You think we have to make a law stopping people's rights?

Florida isn't american because it has a population of cubans decent individuals, are you series?!?! Is boston not american because it has a high population of Irish decent?
And teh GOP can do shit about the SCOTUS ruling because they have passed legislation to circumvent it over and over at the state level, so why shouldn't I be worried about it? cause you say so?

as for

Yet the people who live there still see those as the law of the land. No its nothing like that because my local soft ball league doesn't demand honor killings and acid thrown into girls' faces if they refuse to be some dude's 4th wife.

doesn't happen, or at least will be prosecuted in the court of law. People are free to scream what they want for the most part, heck Trump's staffer/delegate said Hillary should be shot at the convention doesn't mean she getting pulled up to a firing squad, the committee group and the soft ball team have the same legal standing and can't bypass or outrule it.

http://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2015...non-muslims-2/

http://www.newsweek.com/2016/02/12/r...ts-422743.html
You want to throw in the potential attacks avoided then you need to also add in avoided attacks from other sources into the mix from christian fundamentalists, lone wolfs, eco-terrorist, ect.

Are you telling me that you couldn't just stop giving a business your money and go somewhere else if they were known to discriminate? You think we have to make a law stopping people's rights?

Other then the fact THATS NOT HOW THE LAW WORKS. What if you are the only mechanic in the area? or the contracted ambulance service? what about medicine? and its not stopping a persons right, its preventing a business from preventing peoples constitutional right not to be discriminated against on the basis of religion, sex, race, ect.

[Crissi]

If only Democrats believed in diversity of ideas as much as they believe in superficial diversity, you might have a point.

For what it's worth, I often argue against those that shut down others opinions cause of "safe space" or "oppression" terminology. It's silly. I find value in Dem and Repub arguments.

Speaking of which, I miss Laize. He was good at arguing conservative positions.

[Berengil]

You do realize that you've contradicted yourself here by arguing this in the same post as your personal beliefs on climate change right? Wanna punch me?

It would appear that sarcasm and context go over your head. Not to mention that you have staked out a position opposed by the vast majority of scientists worlwide.

I don't engage with Luddites. /forum ignore activated

[ITER]

That is historically inaccurate.

Grandparents did the majority of child rearing, mothers nursed kids but for the most part the able bodied did farm work all day, with men doing slightly more back breaking labour.

A Nuclear family structure is relatively recent and new and may have just been a transitory phase between mans inherent tribal nature or clan nature and this atomized society of individuals.

What years are you referring to, culture are you referring to, what economic class are you referring to? Im talking about more recent history of american/western Europe middle class and above because going back or talking about anything else is not relevant.

[alexw]

Young people don't traditionally embrace conservatism. Not too worried about an idealistic snot-nosed brat's opinion on things. The Republican party has done more damage to itself by being on the defensive and trying to win independents in key elections than a perceived population shift over the next 50+ years ever will. While the Democrats are on the attack both in the media and the academy demanding that Republicans shift their ideology to theirs, Republicans either do nothing or capitulate. THIS is the current problem in conservatism. This is why people who traditionally wouldn't have supported Trump are throwing everything they have behind him now. He may be partially incompatible with our overall views, but he is doing a damn fine job of meeting or exceeding all of the typical Democrat attacks. An attack dog is exactly what we needed, and I hope it frightens certain parties. We'll sort out the rest when the time comes.

No. The problem is republicans are completely out of touch with today's electorate. That population shift you mention is not happening in 50 years. It is happening right now and has been underway ever since 2000.

Millennials (whom you condescendingly call snot-nosed brats) are the largest demographic in numbers terms and in 2012 made up 19% of all voters. If they vote at the same rate as in 2012 they will make up 21-22% of all voters. They voted overwhelmingly for Obama and are on track to overwhelmingly vote for Clinton.

Do you see where I am going with this? Republican presidential year losses are not because republicans are not conservative enough. That is just up front refusal to admit the truth because you don't like what that truth is telling you. It is because times have changed and whereas democrats are changing with those times you are not. Instead you double down on the nonsense that makes your presidential candidates unelectable in the first place. THAT is the current problem in conservatism.

[ITER]

No, women in the 1800s and early 1900s worked in factories and on the farms even after they married. Prior the industrial age women worked in the farm fields even if they were married.

Yes, they didn't just sit around when they were pregnant/looking after kids. But there focus wasn't that. Humans were just trying to survive back then so both sexes did whatever was necessary but women primary focus was on child rearing and producing children to replace the working backs who died. All i am saying is if women would put their focus back on that instead of climbing the corporate latter a lot of society's problem would start going away or at least be reduced.

[GennGreymane]

Yes, they didn't just sit around when they were pregnant/looking after kids. But there focus wasn't that. Humans were just trying to survive back then so both sexes did whatever was necessary but women primary focus was on child rearing and producing children to replace the working backs who died. All i am saying is if women would put their focus back on that instead of climbing the corporate latter a lot of society's problem would start going away or at least be reduced.

Well too bad, that would mean we would lose tons of talent in many fields. Its also not practical to force this outdated model (literally destroyed by inflation) on todays society.

[alexw]

You do realize that you've contradicted yourself here by arguing this in the same post as your personal beliefs on climate change right? Wanna punch me?

Errr lol. You do realize what science is and how it works? Science isn't about belief its about evidence and data. That you deny the reality of that evidence and data doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

[belfpala]

I registered Dem so I could vote for Bernie in the primary.

Don't have to be in my state. Open primaries. I could have voted in all of them.

[Saverem]

I'm neither. I'm an independent. However, I am registered as a democrat because my state doesn't let me vote in primaries if I'm not registered as a Dem/Rep.

I do lean mostly towards the democrats though, but I also have some Republican qualities.

I am pro-guns, pro-death penalty, pro-small government, anti-immigration (especially Muslims) for my Republican qualities

I am pro-gay marriage, pro-choice, I recognize climate change as a problem, pro separation of church and state (I'm an atheist), anti-coal/fossil fuels and pro renewable energy for my Democrat qualities

I am pro-small business and anti-big corporations buying out politicians which is a view shared by both parties

[Theodarzna]

What years are you referring to, culture are you referring to, what economic class are you referring to? Im talking about more recent history of american/western Europe middle class and above because going back or talking about anything else is not relevant.

Pretty much any given culture but specifically European culture prior to the industrial revolution. This is also true of about all the social classes below landed gentry. Particularly of the vast majority of people engaged in direct manual labour.

The Middle Class even had this sort of lifestyle once such a thing became real. Even what one might call the Nobles de Robe and general what passed for Middle Class was not strictly a nuclear family until well into the industrial revolution.

If anything what we see is that since the 1800's-ish and the beginning of "Modernity," the family has been a casualty of that demographic transition.

[ITER]

Florida isn't american because it has a population of cubans decent individuals, are you series?!?! Is boston not american because it has a high population of Irish decent?

Don't try to change what I am saying. American throughout its history has been european based whether you like it or not. When a community gets replaced and turned it the a non-european community like what happened to Miami its not American anymore, its Cuba on american soil. And don't give me that crap about "decent individuals" you don't experience what they are really like you just see some sad face in the news. The people who live on the southern border know what illegal immigration is and replacement of their communities is like you have no idea. You are just the people who think it can never happen/it cant be that bad because you don't experience it first hand.

And teh GOP can do shit about the SCOTUS ruling because they have passed legislation to circumvent it over and over at the state level, so why shouldn't I be worried about it? cause you say so?

And the Supreme Court shot it down so stop whining about it. I don't know why they want the government in their relationship anyways.

doesn't happen, or at least will be prosecuted in the court of law. People are free to scream what they want for the most part, heck Trump's staffer/delegate said Hillary should be shot at the convention doesn't mean she getting pulled up to a firing squad, the committee group and the soft ball team have the same legal standing and can't bypass or outrule it.

Yet they are doing that over in the UK whether you want to believe it or not.

http://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2015...non-muslims-2/

http://www.newsweek.com/2016/02/12/r...ts-422743.html
You want to throw in the potential attacks avoided then you need to also add in avoided attacks from other sources into the mix from christian fundamentalists, lone wolfs, eco-terrorist, ect.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com

Are you really that naive? You really think that those people compared to the hundreds of millions of people who would like to see you murder, your culture destroyed, your mother (future?)daughter raped and use as a sex slave. Stop thinking they are like western people, they are not.

Other then the fact THATS NOT HOW THE LAW WORKS. What if you are the only mechanic in the area? or the contracted ambulance service? what about medicine? and its not stopping a persons right, its preventing a business from preventing peoples constitutional right not to be discriminated against on the basis of religion, sex, race, ect.

Then go somewhere else! Why do you think you should be allowed to force someone to do something they don't want to do?!

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Well too bad, that would mean we would lose tons of talent in many fields. Its also not practical to force this outdated model (literally destroyed by inflation) on todays society.

LOL no one is saying women can't work. they always had choices even back in the day. There are plenty of accounts of women lawyers, judges, doctors, blacksmiths, and business owners. But the vasty majority focused on brining new life into the world something women only can do! We are below replacement level birthrates. If you want your culture to survive you have to start having kids.

[GennGreymane]

LOL no one is saying women can't work. they always had choices even back in the day. There are plenty of accounts of women lawyers, judges, doctors, blacksmiths, and business owners. But the vasty majority focused on brining new life into the world something women only can do! We are below replacement level birthrates. If you want your culture to survive you have to start having kids.

You seem to be ignoring something greatly

inflation occurred, women have to work. The nuclear family was a model built in a vacuum, families cannot survive without 2 incomes in most cases. What culture are you even... what? When did we start talking about culture?

[alexw]

You think that Republicans should become more liberal to win elections, or rather that's what you want. That is also a non-winning strategy. Winning elections is also superseded by actual views if you have a backbone. The prevalence of your argument in the media and being disseminated to children in school is the exact reason people are supporting Trump.

The "population shift" will go one of two ways, either we'll have sovereignty as a nation or we won't. While Democrats may be jumping for glee at the overrunning of our southern border by foreign invaders, you can rest assured they won't own up to the nation we become as a result. There's still time to nip it in the bud, and we intend to.

Lol do you think I want republicans to become more moderate? I want the party to die a fiery death and fade into oblivion. Happily enough they are doing that. I am simply telling you the truth.

When the electorate changes if a political party does not then its going to lose and lose badly. If it persists in its idiocy then it will eventually cease to exist. The same thing happened in the 1970's to 90's with the democratic party. They up-front refused to move rightwards when the electorate move right. They kept losing until Bill Clinton came along and undertook that rightward shift. Now the electorate is moving leftward and you face the same choice that the democratic party did, but instead of moving leftward to stay relevant with the changed electorate, your party has doubled down on everything that was making them unelectable. Oh the stupidity!

And I see you are doubling down on the natavism and bigotry. Can't say I'm surprised at all. You are in that regard a typical republican.

P.S. Its too late to stop. Its not only non-white millennials that have shifted leftward but white millennials also, and as I have already said they make up a big and growing chunk of the electorate. What are you going to do? Deport everyones kids and grand kids? Deny them the vote?

[ITER]

Pretty much any given culture but specifically European culture prior to the industrial revolution. This is also true of about all the social classes below landed gentry. Particularly of the vast majority of people engaged in direct manual labour.

The Middle Class even had this sort of lifestyle once such a thing became real. Even what one might call the Nobles de Robe and general what passed for Middle Class was not strictly a nuclear family until well into the industrial revolution.

If anything what we see is that since the 1800's-ish and the beginning of "Modernity," the family has been a casualty of that demographic transition.

Yes but I wasn't referring to that time period. I was referring to the more "modern" parts of america and western european i.e industrial revolution onward because that is more relevant towards our lifetime. All poor people had to work and you saw extended families under one roof. Not to mention you needed a lot more people on farms to produce the necessary food requirement back then.

[alexw]

Irrelevant.

Actually the future is very bright for the Sanders supporters. They have significantly shifted the democratic platform leftwards, and in 8 years time they will be the dominant political force not a secondary one. Their age group will only grow in political power as they become more consistent voters and grow in size, while the most conservative democrats continue to die off. In 2024 we will see a Sanders clone as president.

[ITER]

You seem to be ignoring something greatly

inflation occurred, women have to work. The nuclear family was a model built in a vacuum, families cannot survive without 2 incomes in most cases. What culture are you even... what? When did we start talking about culture?

I am not I just don't agree with your idea that inflation was the primary reason that forced families to 2 income households.

[Theodarzna]

Yes but I wasn't referring to that time period. I was referring to the more "modern" parts of america and western european i.e industrial revolution onward because that is more relevant towards our lifetime. All poor people had to work and you saw extended families under one roof. Not to mention you needed a lot more people on farms to produce the necessary food requirement back then.

The modern period is so short as to be irrelevant. The point is that model of a family was completely transitory and fairly class specific.

[GennGreymane]

I am not I just don't agree with your idea that inflation was the primary reason that forced families to 2 income households.

"I am not"

We are below replacement level birthrates. If you want your culture to survive you have to start having kids.

Well whats your explanation then? Women simply choosing to work? Even though the economic reality is, is that they have to work?

[alexw]

I see you doubled down on Democrats running to the "b-word" anytime someone disagrees with them. Why don't you break out your crystal ball one more time to see if you can decipher how calling illegal invaders exactly what they are is bigotry. I'll call a Canadian hopping the border the same damn thing.

I'm glad you're so confident and comfortable in your assessment of things. I think you need it.

No I called you a bigot because of the language you used nothing else. Its pretty obvious you are extremely intolerant of anyone you perceive as being "other".